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nkb wrote

Lily,
All the conjecture and misdirection in the world will not make me back off.

Once again, you have failed (comprehensively, most would say) to show us where this bill makes it mandatory for seniors to meet with physicians for end-of-life counseling.

Try again, or admit that it doesn't.

Why would I try to do that when I didn't say it? You want to show where I did? I did say that it sets out horrors in "bland detail". I stand by that as anyone with any brains would. You show me where this bill forbids making it mandatory.

That's it. Only a mad woman would try to get through to you again. You know what? I don't give a shit whether you get it or not. Most Americans do as the earful that Congress is getting as they face the folks back home demonstrates.

[Kate]

nkb wrote

Lily,
All the conjecture and misdirection in the world will not make me back off.

Once again, you have failed (comprehensively, most would say) to show us where this bill makes it mandatory for seniors to meet with physicians for end-of-life counseling.

Try again, or admit that it doesn't.

[Waddlie]

Kate wrote

I'm way too silly to address the cownt. I miss my bitch. Sigh.

Waddlie, my sweet, if teh gubnint is gonna give me three times the blue book on my Beloved Hoopty Jeep, well, I can't pass that up. Especially if it means my darling girl can buy her very own Soul. Yes, a Soul is a hideous thing, but it has A/C and heat.

A Soul as in a Kia Soul? Fuck that. Fuck that on toast. A Kia? I have just bought one of these, it's awesome:



I might stick around for a while, this place had got boring but watching Lily spiralling slowly but surely into profound insanity has once again piqued my interest.

[Kate]

But, hamsters love the Soul!!
This is my ride:

[Smellyoldgit]

Bullshitting Bovine wrote

Patient comments on their experiences in Nottingham University Hospitals are rather amusing (not)http://www.nhs.uk/servicedirectories...x?v=4&id=RX1CC

Let’s see how selective I can be;

Case 1. What I liked
My name is Dorothy Smith, I have recently been treated for a Lymphoma at the Clinical Haematology Department at the City Hospital. I am using the services of my son's PC to pass on my comments.
I was treated throughout my treatment with respect, care and understanding at all times. I have said to friends and relations many times during my treatment , that the treatment and support shown simply could not be bettered.
I would particularly wish to praise the staff that I came into contact with on my numerous appointments, all were simply wonderful.
Nothing was too much trouble , queries and questions were always dealt with with a smile , and with understanding and courtesy. The doctor was absolutely wonderful , treating me with respect , and giving of their time and experience when it was most needed. They made each appointment matter , and at no point did I feel that I was simply another appointment.
At times like these , "Thanks" seem hardly enough , however I want to convey my deepest gratitude to everyone involved in my care at the Haematolgy department.
Thank You.

What could be improved?
Nothing

Case 2. What I liked
Over the last three years I have been seeing the Clinical Genetics Departments in regards to a hereditary illness that is in my family. This period was very stressful and distressing for me as I couldn’t make my mind up as to whether I wanted the genetic diagosis test for Huntingtons. There were in particular two memebers of staff (a doctor and a nurse/counsellor) that helped me a lot. They were very understanding, sensative, caring and patient towards me. They answered all my questions and gave me all the insight and information that I needed to help me make my mind up about the Huntington’s test. Once I decided to take the test they counselled me for a further 6 months to make sure that I had made the right decision. When I went for the results I was told that my result came back negative. The after care was also very good as a week later the nurse/counsellor rang me to see how I was and assured me that if I had any further question in the future I was more than welcome to ring them.

Case 3, What I liked
My son was admitted for hand surgery in the burns unit. The care was excellent, the staff were wonderful, and even though the staff were busy they always made time to talk to me if needed.

What could be improved?
nothing at all

Case 4. What I liked
I was admitted at 33 wks in my pregnancy as a scan showed problems with the placenta, amount of fluid around my son and also my son has down syndrome and had to spend some time in neo natel intensive care after delivery. All the staff from the sonographers, consultants (the consultant especially, he is fantastic), fetal medicine dept, ward B26, delivery suite, neo natel intensive care and theatres were fantastic, i cant praise them enough. I was pleased with the whole aspect of my experience. All staff involved in my care were polite, caring and responsive to myself and the rest of my family,explained fully what was going on and what was happening and everything went smoothly.

Case 5. What I liked
My father is in his fifth week at the City Hospital, two weeks on Critical Care and his third week on the Southwell Ward. Anyone who has relatives on either of these wards need not worry about the care their relative will be receiving. The doctors, nurses and all other staff cannot be praised enough. Nothing is too much trouble. The nurses, always have time to answer any questions you may have and the doctors kept us updated regularly on my dads progress. After visiting for five weeks, 2-3 times daily, I've seen what these people have to put up with, the pressure they're under etc. They do an absolute marvellous job.

Case 6. What I liked
My father was admitted after a stroke and spent approximatley five weeks there until a further stroke and his death last September. I wanted to write and express my thanks publically for the care he had during his last weeks. [I did write at the time too].
In general this was good and the care at the end when he was so ill and we were implementing his living will that he be allowed to die was wonderful. The staff were exceptionally sensitive and there was absolute respect for his wishes that he be given no active treatment - just kept comfortable. He was given a single room and the staff were attentive and caring to the end. Thank you.

What could be improved?
After his orginal stroke, I feel it took rather too long for staff in A & E to recognise what the problem was.

During his stay on the ward there were times when busy staff could have been more careful about making sure he drank and that he could reach the things he needed from his chair. However, they were hard pressed and the general care was good.

Some good stuff there Lillsy-poos - keep 'em coming.

[Irreligious]

Lily wrote

You got it. Our nanny-in-chief. I don't need a nanny. I am grown up.

I ain't your nanny or your mammy, Miss Grownup Lily in Alabamy. I merely asked you a question, which you avoided answering. What the fuck is an "Obammy?" What does it mean?

Lily wrote

You are one heartless bastard. You don't have a clue what a sick and/o depressed person who already fears he is a burden on his family is likely to do or feel compelled to do when offered a final solution.

I'm a heartless bastard because people get sick and die? Shouldn't you be blaming your god for that?

Look, dying ain't easy. What, you don't think I haven't had people in my family and close friends die from debilitating diseases? Do you think I am unaware that I, too, will die someday, maybe sooner than I think?

Preparing for the inevitable is an option, Lily. We all are gonna die, whether we like it or not. What's so horrible about having the option to prepare for that inevitability when the time comes?

Half-seriously, I'd have thought that you, of all people here, would, at least, appreciate the prospect of eventually meeting your maker. In theory, you actually have something to look forward to.

Lily wrote

You ignorant, ostrich. Go back to your sand pile. There will be no private insurance. The Chosen One wants a single payer-- the government. Which you should know since I linked to his very own words on video to prove it. That was the same message in which I linked to one of the expert witnesses called to testify before Congress-- the one who actually said that seniors would have reduced services, since they are useless.

That doesn't mean private insurance companies will be put out of business. They do exist elsewhere where there is a national health insurance plan in place. Look north, my dear frightened Lily. Not to the heavens, but our neighbors in Canada. The sky has not fallen in up there just because health care is affordable for the average person.

Lily wrote

Open your eyes!

Why don't you open your eyes for a change, Chicken Little?

[Sternwallow]

Stupid cow; for all her vaunted linguistic expertise, does not understand the difference between single payer and single source.

[Smellyoldgit]

Lily wrote

Stafford: a 3rd world hospital according to Brown:

Two months ago 41 NHS hospital trusts admitted failing to observe one or more parts of the hygiene code, which was introduced in October 2006 amid growing concern about the spread of MRSA, clostridium difficile and other superbugs.

The Prime Minister and his aides have become alarmed that one in four hospitals is still not meeting the hygiene targets imposed in November 2004 by the then Health Secretary John Reid. Hospital-acquired infections (HAI) now affect some 300,000 people a year, and despite better control measures appear to be epidemic in some areas. The government is unlikely to meet the target it has set itself, of halving the numbers diagnosed with MRSA by next April.

Whilst acknowledging that UK hospital cleanliness is far from perfect, I thought a little digging would show our bungling PCT's how it should be done via the Merkin Beacon of Brilliance. Mr google did a fine job - and I'm sure our balanced bovine will do similar searches and link to the abundance of embarrassment that he threw up. After the first 10, I developed "couldn't be arsed syndrome".

[Philboid Studge]

The end-of-life consultations that are giving Lily night terrors (The government is going to push the elderly into ovens!) has actually been embedded in federal law since the first Bush administration, 20 years ago. See The Patient Self-Determination Act of 1990. It was enhanced further by Bush, Jr in 2003 (pdf).

Neither of these provisions, nor anything proposed recently, has ever suggested that consultations are 'mandatory'. And the recent incarnations are bi-partisan, crafted in part by Charles Boustany (R-LA), a physician, in the House, and Susan Collins (R-ME) in the Senate.

The very liberal Politico reports.

[Irreligious]

And I defy Lily to point to a provision in the bill that specifically mentions euthanasia as an option. Far as I know, it's not a "legal" option in most places in the U.S.

I think what bothers her is that, eventually, the terminally ill (often older folks, but not exclusively, by any means) reach a point where medical science runs out of options to prolong their lives and merely mentioning that is tantamount to placing a gun in the victims' hands. Or so she might reason.

However, some people (perhaps, a lot more than not) will cling to whatever hope there is left for life, no matter how they are counseled.

[nkb]

Lily wrote

Why would I try to do that when I didn't say it? You want to show where I did?

Sure, right here.

Lily wrote

The bill does make clear that the elderly are going to be under considerable pressure, not to use up resources. Just exactly how do you think mandatory counselling is going to be received-- nobody needs the government to tell them to make end-of-life directives.

Bolded, for your convenience.

Lily wrote

I did say that it sets out horrors in "bland detail". I stand by that as anyone with any brains would. You show me where this bill forbids making it mandatory.

You have said it, and the only thing you have followed up with is wild conjecture, fueled by your favorite conservative talking heads. Yawn, what else is new?

[Philboid Studge]

Show me where it forbids making it mandatory.



Lily, We've been thinking, and, well ... see, we've been thinking that maybe you could have a better life around people your own age, you know? A nice, clean place where there would be good people to give you the help you need and take care of you ...

Smellyoldgit wrote

Let’s see how selective I can be;

Since I didn't cite a single review, how was I selective? Do you *really* want to claim that the NHS is doing an adequate job? Really? I can link to government sources, doctors' blogs, various newspapers, et al. and document its failings by the thousands. Selective, my arse.

Irreligious wrote

I ain't your nanny or your mammy, Miss Grownup Lily in Alabamy. I merely asked you a question, which you avoided answering. What the fuck is an "Obammy?" What does it mean?

I explained it to you in words a 6 year old would understand!! It means O-mammy. What is a mammy? Do I need to tell you that? I consider his idea that we need him and his socialist/commie friends to tell us how to live a crock of elitist bullshit. Hence, Nanny-in-Chief/Obammay. How much clearer could this possibly be?

That doesn't mean private insurance companies will be put out of business.

Yes it does. They cannot compete with the pool Obamacare is going to create.

They do exist elsewhere where there is a national health insurance plan in place. Look north, my dear frightened Lily. Not to the heavens, but our neighbors in Canada.

Ignorance displayed, yet again. They do not have private insurance in any meaningful sense.They can only buy *supplemental* insurance to cover what the socialized plan doesn't cover.

Why don't you open your eyes for a change, Chicken Little?

They are open. You just can't see because in addition to being ignorant, your eyes and mind are closed.

Enough of this crap. You have been warned. You have been shown where to get further information-- the information you won't get from the media because, as Newsweek itself has finally recognized, even with a boot-licking, worshipful media at his command, Obammy by-passes the media completely by using Youtube, twitter, etc to put out his message. Nobody questions the Chosen One. Not even his studgey lackeys.

Philboid Studge wrote

Lily, We've been thinking, and, well ... see, we've been thinking that maybe you could have a better life around people your own age, you know?

Get a real job, you sponge and quit looking to me and other working people to support your folly.

For some one who is what? 8? 10? years younger than I, you sure are lacking in imagination. It is funny that you seem sure that I will be insulted by your sneers at older people. What does it do but indicate that the growing push for assisted suicide and legal euthanasia is a real danger? Since I am a good decade younger than your blowhard mentor, have you told him how you feel about old people?

[Philboid Studge]

Lily wrote

Get a real job, you sponge and quit looking to me and other working people to support your folly.
For some one who is what? 8? 10? years younger than I, you sure are lacking in imagination. It is funny that you seem sure that I will be insulted by your sneers at older people. What does it do but indicate that the growing push for assisted suicide and legal euthanasia is a real danger? Since I am a good decade younger than your blowhard mentor, have you told him how you feel about old people?

Aw Lily, don't get mad. I love you and all old people--even the funny smell. But I never think you'll be insulted by my "sneers" because I usually assume you have no idea what I'm talking about. And vice versa: my sneers are an indication of the "growing push" into the Grandma Oven? Paranoid much?

(I'm a sponge?? You're the one on Medicare! What's it like having socialized medicine? Oppressive, I bet!)

[nkb]

Lily wrote

What does it do but indicate that the growing push for assisted suicide and legal euthanasia is a real danger?

Only a demented, alarmist, hysterical like Lily would see the push for people to have the choice to die with dignity as a precursor to a granny and gramps kill-fest.

Lily, you are full of conspiracy theories, it appears. Could you give us a quick outline of who is behind the grand plan of geriatricide? What's the purpose? Is it a cross between Logan's Run and Soylent Green?