Atheists, here is your proof of God's existence, the 9th of Av

[Mark Dreher]

Michael wrote

Okay, so I've paused "The Office" for a second, just for one more point.


You wrote this (relevant dates bolded)




Meanwhile, wikipedia has this to say on the matter -




Now, this of course doesn't mention August 2nd, nor Himmler, but I'm unsure where you're getting your dates for this, especially as Himmler was a superior to several of the men attending that conference and (this is me speculating here) it seems he most likely would have been privvy to that information already.


It just seems like your dates are out on this one. I'm curious where you got your information for this, so I can correlate.

You know, to explore the Himmler/Tisha B'Av connection

Google the keywords "Himmler Tisha B'Av".

There are hundreds of articles, about it.

From a million different sources.

[Smellyoldgit]

Mark Dreher wrote

The "Tisha B'Av curse", is a very real thing.

Only in the fucked-up mind of a certifiable nut-job.

Do you get out much?

[Smellyoldgit]

Interestingly, Tisha B'Av also shares the following five prohibitions:

No eating or drinking;
No washing or bathing;
No application of creams or oils;
No wearing of (leather) shoes;
No marital relations.

It looks like wanking is perfectly ok - so does Billy the Yid knock them out by the boatload this time of year?

[Michael]

Mark Dreher wrote

Thank you for your input.

My goodness, you were busy.

It's no problem. Often before I take a claim seriously, I look into it. It's odd how many people don't do that. I find that people will take advantage of that sometimes, and just post whatever they want, assuming nobody will actually follow up on it.

Well, the wikepedias still say, "they all happen on Tisha B'Av".


No?

No.

If I am to understand it correctly, you said that the reason this is so important is that all these things happened on the 9th of Av. As I said, one of your own sources says some of the things you mention did not happen on that day. They happened around that day - and for the purpose of commemorating a day bad things happen to Jews I can see why they are included, but for the purpose of say there must be divine intervention because saying bad things happen to jews on that day, then near that day is not good enough.

I think yes.

Oh, I'm not responding to this. I just wanted to re-iterate that you said it.

And there is another cross reference listed on the page, that you missed.

And it is from Chabad.org.

Okay. Not the point. You didn't quote them. You clearly copy and pasted from wikipedia. The format is the same, the wording is the same. Everything except the dates was identical. I used the source you (clearly) used, and quoted. I'll look into Chabad another time for you, though.

The largest, and most high profile, JEWISH organization, on the internet.

I think we will both agree.

Not yet, I haven't looked into them. However, I will, and then we can talk about chabad. Until then I will restrain from that discussion.

And they have an article about Tisha B'av also.

And you will notice

That it is IDENTICAL

To me.

"identical"? Word for word? That would indicate one of you copied from the other.


http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...inth-of-Av.htm

So..

The "Tisha B'Av curse", is a very real thing.

Very real indeed.

No?

No.

[Michael]

Mark Dreher wrote

You know, to explore the Himmler/Tisha B'Av connection

Google the keywords "Himmler Tisha B'Av".

There are hundreds of articles, about it.

From a million different sources.

My first response to this is a question.

How are there a million sources, yet only a few hundred articles? Did they all only write a fraction of the article? I guess you meant something more along the lines of "Multiple sources carry the same article".

Secondly, I didn't ask "how would I go about sourcing articles that link Himmler to Tisha B'av" - I can figure out to google something all on my own, though thankyou for treating me as though the idea of "use google for information" never came to me.


I asked what your sources were. Specifically what sources you used for that information, so I could verify the validity of them, and if they compare to any other sources.


So I'll ask again, where did you get that information?

[Mark Dreher]

Michael wrote

My first response to this is a question.

How are there a million sources, yet only a few hundred articles? Did they all only write a fraction of the article? I guess you meant something more along the lines of "Multiple sources carry the same article".

Secondly, I didn't ask "how would I go about sourcing articles that link Himmler to Tisha B'av" - I can figure out to google something all on my own, though thankyou for treating me as though the idea of "use google for information" never came to me.


I asked what your sources were. Specifically what sources you used for that information, so I could verify the validity of them, and if they compare to any other sources.


So I'll ask again, where did you get that information?

My dear, the sources are listed, on the link.

I'll not "split hairs", my dear.

If Tisha B'Av is not real

Then why did the Jews make it a holiday?

Do they make holidays for nothing?

No, they don't.

And what is Tisha B'Av?

According to a Jew?

It is the day that "BOTH temples were destroyed"

On the very same day.

That alone

Is quite impossible.

But there is far far more horror

In Tisha B'Av.

And we, are exploring that.

The ADDITIONAL tragedies.

That the Jews

May not be aware of.

Speaks to the viability

Of the whole religion.

[Michael]

Mark Dreher wrote

My dear, the sources are listed, on the link.

So...wikipedia, which doesn't say what you are claiming it says, and another site "chabad.org" which wikipedia once again informs me is " flagship website of the Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic movement", a rather specific branch of jewish orthodoxy designed to promote specific jewish points-of-view, and therefore not particularly valuable as an independant source.

In otherwords, no independantly verifiable sources. Nothing that can be pointed to without bias.

Well, alright then. That's disappointing.

I'll not "split hairs", my dear.

If Tisha B'Av is not real

Then why did the Jews make it a holiday?

Oh, this is good. This is really good. But I'm going to leave this one. I want to let some of the others here have some fun, too.

Do they make holidays for nothing?

No, they don't.

Oh, the fun I could have with this. The fun we will have with this soon.

And what is Tisha B'Av?

According to a Jew?

It is the day that "BOTH temples were destroyed"

On the very same day.

That alone

Is quite impossible.

But there is far far more horror

In Tisha B'Av.

Naw.

And we, are exploring that.

The ADDITIONAL tragedies.

That the Jews

May not be aware of.

Speaks to the viability

Of the whole religion.

Hang on, so the tragedies that happened to the Jews to punish them, that were not severe enough for them to actually notice, are proof that there is a god out there punishing the Jews and therefore god is real? He's punishing them in ways that are so weak they don't even notice?

Are you a poe?

[Mark Dreher]

Michael wrote

Hang on, so the tragedies that happened to the Jews to punish them, that were not severe enough for them to actually notice, are proof that there is a god out there punishing the Jews and therefore god is real? He's punishing them in ways that are so weak they don't even notice?

Are you a poe?

Well, they will notice, my dear.

They will notice.

Tis my honor

To inform them.

That is my job.

"The Final Reaping"

Of the Jews.

It is called.

Am I a poe?

A poe of what?

Myself?

Holy smokes.

Well, if you do not know me.

I am on Reddit, I have my own subreddit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MarkDreher/

Or

You could look at me on facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/TheViceRegent

Or

You could go to "The New Holy Bible" website, itself.

http://thenewholybible.org

Or a million

Billion

Other places.

Which you could find by google.

[Smellyoldgit]

"Mark Dreher nutjob" in a google search is far more entertaining.

[Michael]

Wow. You really hate

"The Jews", huh?

Your last comments seem

Very anti-semitic. It's a

good thing you don't work in Hollywood.

I am a little worried that your

"Final Reaping"

is going to end up as a

madman

with a gun in a building somewhere.

And that worries me a little.

[Node18]

Smellyoldgit wrote

"Mark Dreher nutjob" in a google search is far more entertaining.

seconded

[GodlessHeathen]

ghoulslime wrote

Bona fide fucking loony!

No offense, Ghoul, but we pretty much figured that out.

[Mark Dreher]

Michael wrote

Wow. You really hate

"The Jews", huh?

Your last comments seem

Very anti-semitic. It's a

good thing you don't work in Hollywood.

I am a little worried that your

"Final Reaping"

is going to end up as a

madman

with a gun in a building somewhere.

And that worries me a little.

I am antisemitic.

And what is wrong, with being antisemitic?

Was not Jesus antisemitic?

Answer, please.

Did he not say to them, the Jews, "You are of your Father, the Devil" John 8:44

I think he did.

I think he did.

And, is not God antisemitic?

Answer, please.

Well, a thinking man, to evaluate if God is antisemitic, would look at God's "Tisha B'Av curse", on Judaism.

http://thenewholybible.org/atheists_here...of_God.htm

To evaluate, if God is antisemitic.

[Node18]

but god loves all his children

[dogpet]

The holycaust was a righteous event!

Learn something new every day kids.