God Co-equal With Nature.

[Andrew66]

Sinfidel wrote

Oh, like when the bits in a junkyard assemble themselves into a 747! Do let us know when that happens!

The comparison of evolutionary steps (driven by natural selection) eventually over time yielding a super entity and the Dawkins 747 gambit - where the steps in construction of an airplane by a blowing wind are not evolutionary at all but purely random, is very poor and inappropriate.

Sorry, not buying this one.

[Andrew66]

Michael wrote

So, we're back to it being just one being now? Is it one being or multiple beings?

No, I was just being a bit lazy with the terms, one entity - could be one or multiple beings working in harmony together. Or one being, - could be one or multiple entities working in harmony together.

Michael wrote

And I have never even hinted at thinking that it was 'everywhere at once'

OK.

Michael wrote

The problem with your 'sum of all existence' answer is that it has no explanatory power at all - it's a useless, generic statement that adds problems rather than solving them (for instance introducing the problem of distance - causing evolutionary islands and the potential for speciation due to this).

I have already addressed the multiple evolutionary islands problem. Over an infinite time, for probabilistic reasons, the leading evolutionary candidates from differing islands would eventually find each other, and either agree to work co-cooperatively with each other (thus forming an undefeatable team) or fight it out whereby the most fittest candidate would reign supreme.

With regards to what environment the supreme evolved entity would have evolved from I have answered "the sum total of existence" but that answer does not satisfy you. So I prayed on this... (don't respond, this is just a Joke you morons!!), and received divine inspiration on how to refine the answer (another Joke you fcking morons!).

Lets say the divine entity evolved - over time - within an environment supplying the most difficult challenges and dangers that the sum total of existence could possibly throw at it.

[Hobotronic2037]

Andrew66 wrote

Lets say the divine entity evolved - over time - within an environment supplying the most difficult challenges and dangers that the sum total of existence could possibly throw at it.

So your divine entity evolved inside a black hole? Or perhaps in the middle of a star?

And you have the nerve to call us fucking idiots?

You are a retarded cunt. A profoundly retarded cunt.

[Smellyoldgit]

Tut tut, now you've done it.
Andrew doesn't like and doesn't engage with potty mouths .....

..... I'm fucking delighted to report.
But yes, 'cunt' describes his internet personna admirably.

[Hobotronic2037]

Smellyoldgit wrote

Tut tut, now you've done it.
Andrew doesn't like and doesn't engage with potty mouths .....

..... I'm fucking delighted to report.
But yes, 'cunt describes his internet personna admirably'.

Haha. He stopped engaging with me a few posts back anyway, even after I told him in a most diplomatic way that I find his pet theory somewhat creative as a scifi premise. But for him to call us fucking stupid for not swallowing his extremely shaky givens and musings as solid evidence for the existence of an indestructible "divine entity" really only provides strong evidence that he is developmentally disabled, has "special needs" and, of course, is a cunt.

[Andrew66]

Hobotronic2037 wrote

So your divine entity evolved inside a black hole? Or perhaps in the middle of a star?

And you have the nerve to call us fucking idiots?

I never said that, but you bring a good point.

The entity would have likely have started off in the evolutionary process in a more gentle environment, and then slowly evolved to successfully anticipate and deal with the worst possible conditions (including black holes, stars, nuclear bombs, chemical warfare, anything).

Probably one of the main evolved protective features would be near perfect to perfect intelligence - so the entity could harness technology or other defensive means enabling it to deal with anything.

[Hobotronic2037]

Andrew66 wrote

I never said that, but you bring a good point.

The entity would have likely have started off in the evolutionary process in a more gentle environment, and then slowly evolved to successfully anticipate and deal with the worst possible conditions (including black holes, stars, nuclear bombs, chemical warfare, anything).

Probably one of the main evolved protective features would be near perfect to perfect intelligence - so the entity could harness technology or other defensive means enabling it to deal with anything.

Again, marginally interesting pulp sci fi, L. Ron.

Why don't you name your divine being Xenu and just be done with it already?

Or maybe Galactus, if you're more of a marvel fan.

Asimov wrote stories like this.

Don't feel so original.

[Andrew66]

Sinfidel wrote

Actually, his "hypothesis" is essentially correct, except for one minor detail he is overlooking - it fits quite well the evolution of the God Fairy Tale.
First came the Universe, then man evolved, and then the God fable evolved into today's monotheism.

Actually, you are are onto something but why did you stop??

Given an eternal dynamic past, and over an infinite period of evolutionary steps

1) First came physical reality
2) Then conscious beings evolved
3) God fables evolved

But then why did you stop??

4) The beings worked hard to study, learn, experiment, develop technology....

5) There were wars, and incredible natural challenges - and the vast majority of beings died out accordingly, but eventually select being(s) championed the challenges.

6) Arising "champions" from all evolutionary "islands" within physical reality eventually, over an eternity past, found each other, and either learned to live together in peace or fight it out.

7) The being(s) standing after this process= the closest thing to God

8) And then came us.

[Andrew66]

Hobotronic2037 wrote

Again, marginally interesting pulp sci fi, L. Ron.

Why don't you name your divine being Xenu and just be done with it already?

Or maybe Galactus, if you're more of a marvel fan.

Asimov wrote stories like this.

Don't feel so original.

Actually, neither Xenu or Galactus were "perfectly" evolved beings - Xenu was in the process of "being overthrown" - and Galactus was defeated numerous times by the Fantastic Four.

I should give a unique name for my divine being however... suggestions??

By the way, in case you haven't noticed, my divine being is not like Allah or Yaweh, in that the Christian and Muslim God is professed to being eternal, never evolved or created - God just was, perfect from the outset without explanation.

It is also worth reflection that if I posited my argument on a Christian or Muslim website they would call me an atheist, and in this website you would call me a theist. So I do think my argument has a certain novelty to it.

[Kinich Ahau]

Pegagod?

[Sol]

Fecundless The Pegagod ?

[Michael]

Andrew66 wrote

4) The beings worked hard to study, learn, experiment, develop technology....

5) There were wars, and incredible natural challenges - and the vast majority of beings died out accordingly, but eventually select being(s) championed the challenges.

6) Arising "champions" from all evolutionary "islands" within physical reality eventually, over an eternity past, found each other, and either learned to live together in peace or fight it out.

7) The being(s) standing after this process= the closest thing to God

8) And then came us.

I will hand you one thing - you've come up with a theme for a solid B+ sci-fi novel. Little bit more work and a proper storyline could probably lift it to an A-.

But as a story - where gaps in logic and reality can be accepted with suspension of disbelief - is all it's good for, sorry.


Actually - I take it back. There's one other place you can get away with gaps in logic and reality, and that's religion.

So looks like you'll be fine, then.

[Sol]

Must admit I'm loosing traction on this thread... it's a rather convoluted narrative. Sometimes it's 3rd person observation then it switches to a 2nd person narrative leaving very little scope for developing a sequel....
At what point do the thieving little fella's with the big hairy feet throw the stolen property into the volcano ?
Do the worms only produce spice on that planet ? Does the Baron ever lose weight ?
None of these questions seem to be answered..... yes I can see how something can evolve to the point of not needing to evolve anymore and then just wander about being bored and grumpy or even a little bit smighty perhaps.

But, there's no character development here,.
I'm not "feeling" the main protagonist, man.....

I think the story just needs a little more cowbell and obviously a rug would certainly pull the whole thing together...... jus' a thought.

[Michael]

Also seems a little derivative -

I feel like I've seen this before

[Sol]

Ye..... but for all that single incident, long development, non specific specialised saltation, quantum level non-linear evolutionary type jiggery-pokery... much favoured by the intellectually inept -

There can be only one..