Old 12-02-2007, 10:47 PM   #1
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The Iraqi War

Do you guys think the Iraqi war happened for religious reasons or economic ones?

I personally believe that its for religious reasons.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:59 AM   #2
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Old 12-03-2007, 05:13 AM   #3
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well, muss, me thinks you are wrong.

however, before letting the dogs out, i will allow you to explain why you hold such position.

One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected....That they should have this immunity is an outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift them above other ideas. On the contrary, they are always dubious and often quite silly.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:37 PM   #4
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Guess it depends on how you want to look at it. I think the answer is mostly economic - on our side anyway. Seems like you could argue that belief in words like liberty and freedom have consequences. One problem I see is that as the U.S. seeks to do business with the world it finds itself operating under some rather distasteful circumstances. This creates some conflict so we bring along our morality to try to sort it out. Doesn’t seem like the right approach. Whatchu thinking?
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:40 PM   #5
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Phooey! Christianity is what they feed the masses while they line their pockets!

Their wealth is my proof. Where is your proof? Who me that Bush has any integrity what so ever.

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Old 12-03-2007, 12:45 PM   #6
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Stop keeping us in such suspense, muss. Please tell us what these religious reasons are.

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Old 12-03-2007, 12:53 PM   #7
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Isn't it obvious that the Iraq war was started so that Bush could pump billions and billions of dollars into Blackwater (which is run by a serious christ puncher) and hallburton in preperation for the christian revolution, which will happen after the US military has been depleted to the point where blackwater can actually take over the country, finally making the US the christian theocracy that King George has always dreamed of?

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Old 12-03-2007, 12:53 PM   #8
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Do you guys think the Iraqi war happened for religious reasons or economic ones?
Both. That is, our religious devotion to the almighty buck.

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Old 12-03-2007, 12:55 PM   #9
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Phooey! Christianity is what they feed the masses while they line their pockets!

Their wealth is my proof. Where is your proof? Who me that Bush has any integrity what so ever.
Can't tell if this is directed to me or not? Of course Bush has no integrety. What does that have to do with it?
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Old 12-03-2007, 01:04 PM   #10
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Can't tell if this is directed to me or not? Of course Bush has no integrety. What does that have to do with it?
I thought you said that his morality was mixed up in it. What morality?

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Old 12-03-2007, 01:43 PM   #11
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err - the moral justification for the war. You know fight evil terrorists, fight for freedom and liberation, etc. This is what I assume muss is talking about when he says it is more religious. It doesn't matter if you think this is a moral position or not - what matters is that the collective WE see it as the moral position. Even then when I say WE I only mean enough of us. These ideas are not christian, per say, but they are beleifs. These beleifs, whether you agree with them or not, are attached to us. So yes, OUR morality is mixed up in it. Bush couldn't do shit without the rest of us being involved at some point in the process. Anyway - the economics involved are pretty profound even without the flag waiving. I would love to be energy independant...
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Old 12-03-2007, 01:45 PM   #12
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err - the moral justification for the war. You know fight evil terrorists, fight for freedom and liberation, etc. This is what I assume muss is talking about when he says it is more religious...
But it was all a lie. We weren't going after any evil terrorits in Iraq until we attracted them there.

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Old 12-03-2007, 01:59 PM   #13
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The official reason for invading Iraq was that we had "slam-dunk" proof that they had WMDs.

Only in the attempted re-writing of history after we failed to find any evidence of WMDs have the terrorist-fighting or the liberation of Iraqis reasons been used.
Prior to the invasion, there was no credible evidence for any ties between al-Qaida and Hussein.

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Old 12-03-2007, 03:16 PM   #14
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yawn. Who cares about the official reasons. There are many reasons why things have played out the way they have. The only way forward is to concentrate on changing policy otherwise these wars are going to continue.

Now, what about those religious reasons???
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Old 12-03-2007, 03:43 PM   #15
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yawn. Who cares about the official reasons. There are many reasons why things have played out the way they have. The only way forward is to concentrate on changing policy otherwise these wars are going to continue.

Now, what about those religious reasons???
Does everybody here just assume that Bush was lying when he said that God told him to invade? If not, then that would seem to be just one of many pieces of religious reasoning along with and balanced by Islamist "kill all infidels for Allah".

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