My Tax Dollars at Work

[Kate]

[Waddlie]

..and so, the evidence to support my hypothesis that "anyone who uses the phrase 'my tax dollars' is a cunt" continues to mount...

[ILOVEJESUS]

Lily wrote

Lawyers are a big part of the problem. They have made nearly $762 million in political contributions to Democrats over the last two decades. Why? Because there are no caps on the awards juries can and do make in malpractice suits. The system is a magnet for lawyers who get very rich off their fees in these cases. And most of Congress is in their pocket when they are not themselves trial lawyers.

But they can only make money if your system fucks up. heed the point please naughty girl lol.

We have the best medicine in the world for a reason. We need to find better delivery systems for those who are having trouble affording insurance. There are so many solid things that can be done that it is laughable that anyone would want to put the government in control. The government of this country has never run a successful business and, in fact, has run a number into the ground. The waste and fraud in Medicare and Medicaid are staggering. The VA hospitals are another badly run government mess. The Postal Service is racking up billions in debt. Why would we allow the government to take over anything?

How do you work out you have the best medicine? I do agree though governments are on the whole incompetent. But do not forget the banking system was not govenrment run and that was hardly super dooper.

Look at the NHS. Really look at it.You are importing incompetent foreign doctors. Your system is killing your economy (see the link above in previous message). Just what is to love about this mess?

Er it is free? Please do not associate us as some backwater medical retard. A large percentage of specialists in this world are British or educated here. My sone plastic surgeon lectured all over the USA with regards to the fact he was top in his field. Yes there is huge waste, poor management, poor employees, sometimes malpractice, but it is free and saves many more than it kills lol. We do also have private insurance lol. I myself was private for a long time till I decided i was paying tax and didn't see the point of giving money to an insurance company on top. All Obama wants to do ( in my ignorance) it seems, is create a better chance for the poorer elements to access necassary medical care. Very Christian I would say what old sport?
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[ubs]

My tax dollars are subsidising an old fat foreign dress wearing nazi that stole Dorthy's shoes.

[Philboid Studge]

heh heh Waddlie said *cunt continues to mount* heh heh

Waddlie wrote

..and so, the evidence to support my hypothesis that "anyone who uses the phrase 'my tax dollars' is a cunt" continues to mount...

That's because you are a Euro-socialist and firmly attached to your government's teat no matter how ruinous it is for your country. We prefer freedom (most of us). Our chattering elites really love that old style control that the "upper classes" exercise over the rest of the people. They know, so much better than we, how we should spend our money, what we should, eat, drink and (not) smoke. It is amazing we have lasted this long without a king and a ruling class to do our thinking for us.

[nkb]

Lily wrote

What an ignorant oaf you are. It is incredible, although it can no longer surprise me. One of the easiest things anyone could possibly do is research the NHS online. Its failings have been very well documented for decades as has its impact on the British economy. Just yesterday I noted that WHO rated it 18th out of all the health care systems it looked at. Just what does it take to shake you out of your stupor?

18th, you say? Where did the United States rank?

I have to commend you on your dishonest tactics. You keep misdirecting by pointing to the NHS, and you have successfully deflected meaningful discussion.

Britain's Tax Dollars at Work

Additionally, overstretched maternity units shut their doors to any more women in labour on 553 occasions last year.
Babies were born in offices, lifts, toilets and a caravan, according to the Freedom of Information data for 2007 and 2008 from 117 out of 147 trusts which provide maternity services.
One woman gave birth in a lift while being transferred to a labour ward from A&E while another gave birth in a corridor, said East Cheshire NHS Trust.
Others said women had to give birth on the wards - rather than in their own maternity room - because the delivery suites were full.

ILJ you keep asking why I am bringing the NHS up. I am doing so because our chattering elites keep pointing to it as a model for the US. I want to know where they parked their brains.

I understand that you and the Wads are defensive about it. You have never known anything better and what you have never had, you don't miss. But we Americans have the best medical care in the world available to us and don't want to settle for worse, when it is totally unnecessary (yes, we need to make it possible for the poor to buy insurance and yes our doctors and hospitals make bone-headed mistakes-- but bone-headed mistakes and shortages are not endemic to our system).
Besides, what will the Canadians do?? They are worried because they have a stake in the US system as well. I heard this a.m. that the Canadians have formalized an agreement with the US to ship their urgent cases from smaller cities and towns across the border to the U.S. for treatment that they cannot get at home. They have worked it out so that the paperwork gets faxed ahead and ambulances can zip across the border without stopping to the nearest appropriate hospital. Citizens of Windsor, CA can make it to Detroit in 2 hours-- and some man who needed heart surgery (I can't remember what sort) got it that some day-- at a cost of $40,000 paid by the Canadian Gov't. What will those patients do if we go all socialist?

[Smellyoldgit]

Ahhh... our good ol' NHS

You want to cite a Labour site as proof? Is this the same party that ..."has been on a debt fuelled spending binge that as a consequence of the bankruptcy of the financial sector has gone parabolic during the last 18 months which is destined to lift total tax payer liabilities from £1.75 trillion at the end of 2007 to £3.9 trillion by the end of 2010"? (http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article10424.html)

And then, just today I read about Americans fleeing London:

"Americans are heading home as Britain plans a 50 percent tax rate for those who earn more than 150,000 pounds ($248,000) a year and employers cut benefits for workers living abroad, reducing the allure of London. That comes a year after the U.K. said foreigners who have lived in the country for more than seven years must pay 30,000 pounds annually or give up the special status that shields overseas income from British taxes". (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=alNiweY01.Mk)

I don't know if my nephew is among them yet, I doubt he earns quite that much this early in his career but the same article says that the financial sector has lost 45,000 jobs so I don't know how long he can hang in there.

You Brits sure love taxes, don't you?

[Smellyoldgit]

Some oddball survey.

Despite spending the most, U.S. ranks last in health care survey

[Irreligious]

Lily wrote

ILJ you keep asking why I am bringing the NHS up. I am doing so because our chattering elites keep pointing to it as a model for the US. I want to know where they parked their brains.

Aren't you part of the chattering elite, Miss Friend of Almighty Jesus?

You certainly do an awful lot of mindless chattering here, and you sure like claiming possession of the most enlightened viewpoints, as well as knowledge of what's best, not only for you, but everyone else. Sounds pretty elitist to me.

Plus, aren't you elite enough to not have to worry about who's going to help you pay for your health insurance, thanks to the benevolence of your wealthy employer?

So how is it that you are not also in the ivory towers instead of in the trenches, Miss Chatty Cathy?

[nkb]

Avoiding my question, Lily?

What rank was the United States in the WHO report, and what percentage of our GDP do we spend on health care?

[Waddlie]

Pre-natal care; birth; post-natal care; multiple x-rays on my head after some blind girl aged 10 ran into me and knocked me out; two lots of surgery, x-rays, 3 nights in hospital and 6 months physiotherapy after an accident aged 12; a referral to a consultant dermatologist and some jolly pricey treatment to treat a nasty case of teenage acne; some other nastiness requiring surgery that you don't want me to go into; dental care until I was an adult.

All free, all flawless. For every hysterical Daily Mail rantathon, I can give you a thousand people just like me who know nothing of the "endemic bone-headed mistakes" you keep bleating about.

If the NHS is so bad, why aren't we clamouring to opt for another model?

Smellyoldgit wrote

Some oddball survey.

Nope! That survey (which is the one I alluded to above that has the NHS coming in at 18th rank) was weighted to make sure that socialized medical plans would be the "best".

There were five factors weighted to come up with the rankings:

1. Health Level: 25 percent

2. Health Distribution: 25 percent

3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent

4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 percent

5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent

"Health level” is a measure of a country's “disability adjusted life expectancy”. However life expectancy is very much affected by such things as addiction, smoking, accidents, homicide, etc. and these are not related to health care per se.

Likewise financial fairness is a bogus factor. It measures the percentage of household income spent on health care. The “percentage” of income spent on health care decreases with increasing income, just as it does for food purchases and housing. So this factor does not measure the quality or delivery of health care, but reflects a socialist judgment that everyone should pay the same “percentage” of their income on health care no matter what their income or how much they use the system. It was a deliberate move to make countries that rely on free market incentives look inferior. Countries that spend the same percentage of household income on health care are rewarded and those that spend a higher or lower percentage are punished regardless of the impact on health care.

Since WHO wanted to reward socialized medicine, it did. And the NHS still came in at no. 18.


This is summarized/plagarized from Popular Ranking Unfairly Misrepresents the U.S. Health Care System which has much more to say about the factors and what they mean.