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Old 07-11-2008, 06:56 AM   #16
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Old 07-11-2008, 08:43 AM   #17
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sounds like religion gone bad. A cracker is a cracker. My church uses oyster chrackers, I think they are salted. It's only supposed to be a representation of the body of Christ not the real thing. We use grape juice for the Wine, again it is a representation of the reality. So those who believe that the cracker and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ will be outraged over the missing cracker, they actually believe that this guy is stealing the body of Christ. I think that we should go back to burning at the stake for this terrible offence. (LOL)
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Old 07-11-2008, 08:59 AM   #18
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I'll be sure to convey your sentiments to the Pope and the Magesterium, who are always open to a good laugh.

Here is a clue. In the 2000 year history of the Church there have been those who refused the demands of their captors to desecrate the body and blood of Christ and were killed for refusing to do so.

The college dolt in question is not guilty of stealing, he is guilty of desecration. Your opinion doesn't enter into the matter at all.
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:05 AM   #19
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But Lily, it's a cracker.

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Old 07-11-2008, 09:06 AM   #20
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I can't say more about it than I already have. If you don't get it, you don't get it.
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:09 AM   #21
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Oh I get it, it's not complicated. I'm just sayin' - what you are talking about here is a cracker.

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Old 07-11-2008, 09:13 AM   #22
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But Lily, it's a cracker.
Yes — it's the way he tells ’em!

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Old 07-11-2008, 09:19 AM   #23
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Oh I get it, it's not complicated. I'm just sayin' - what you are talking about here is a cracker.
No, you don't get it. It is the body and blood of Christ. Your opinion means nothing. Nothing.
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:21 AM   #24
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No, you don't get it. It is the body and blood of Christ. Your opinion means nothing. Nothing.
Chemistry does though. Have these things ever been analysed in a laboratory? I think that might solve the dispute once and for all.
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:22 AM   #25
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Good one!! I never heard that one before!

This is one of those remarks that atheists think is so very, very, clever and is so very, very, not.
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:27 AM   #26
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No, you don't get it. It is the body and blood of Christ. Your opinion means nothing. Nothing.
Yes I do get it. You and all those other Catholics are upset because some bloke did something he shouldn't have with a piece of bread that you believe at some point in time became the body of Christ, the son of God who died on the cross 2000 years ago and returned from the dead, etc. I get that. You explained it perfectly well.

Thing is, it's a cracker. It was a cracker, and remained so until it got eaten. That is an easily proven fact. It's not my opinion, it's just the way it is. Your opinion, however fervently you believe it, doesn't change that. Just sayin'.

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Old 07-11-2008, 09:36 AM   #27
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i think i have the solution for this:

use the same magick spell that got jeebus into the cracker, but in reverse- to take out the jeebus out of the cracker. since it's magick, you don't need to have the cracker in front of you to cast the reverse-spell and the problem is solved.

as a side note: can we get jeebus dna from one of them special magical crackers?

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Old 07-11-2008, 09:38 AM   #28
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:50 AM   #29
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Now I'm thinking about it, this really is the prime example of how religious belief utterly rejects reality whenever it feels like it. Presumably Lily, and please correct me if I'm wrong, there is absolutely nothing anyone could say to you, nothing any possible experiment could show you about the actual physical reality of a consecrated cracker that would affect your belief that it is actually the flesh of Jesus. It could be split into it's constituent molecules and atoms and yet that wouldn't dent your belief one iota. I assume.

I just find it fascinating, in any other context such a belief would be considered totally insane. This isn't the belief about something that may or may not have happened 2000 years ago, nor it is a belief about the origin of the universe or something like that. It's a belief about a piece of bread that's right there in front of you. Being a cracker. At no time during it's short existence is it ever not being a cracker. Yet, against all common sense, logic and with no possibility of any conceivable evidence to convince you otherwise, you believe at a certain time it physically turns into human flesh. Which you then eat, as if it wasn't bizarre enough already...

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Old 07-11-2008, 09:52 AM   #30
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No, you don't get it. It is the body and blood of Christ. Your opinion means nothing. Nothing.
Lily. Why should we accept your crazy ideas? Lots of people were flogged and crucified around the time of Jesus. And later on when your bunch got to work a nice flogging would have been a light punishment. Ever heard of Occam's Razor? What have you done with all that fancy education you say you had? Tell me, Lily, what do you hope to acheive on this Raving Atheist Site. Are you attempting to convert us? You have already pronounced me insane and I thank you for your opinion but outside religion you would have been in a psychiatric hospital long ago,
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