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Old 12-18-2010, 06:58 PM   #1081
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The norm is for atheists to declare 'I dont see any evidence of a personal Creator' .... so..... if you dont, then how about telling us by what NON intelligent / NON willful natural or material source...
Urm, no. See we are rejecting your explanation as being full of shit. That doesn't mean we have to give an alternative explanation, pulled out of our own asses. The burden of proof is on you, mate. We are quite comfortable with saying "I don't know" to some of life's greatest questions. As Richard Feynman once said, "I think life is much more interesting that way." Also, they wouldnt BE life's greatest questions if answers to them were obvious, would they?

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How did the 150 plus razor edge precise Physics Constants which are ALL needed and work simultaneously to allow Earth to be the kind of planet it is so we can live on it...
Anthropic principle works for me. And I explained this to you already, for fuck's sake.

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...and why the alleged atheist is afraid of wanting a personal theistic Creator to exist for the personal cosmos, earth, human anatomy that we all have ?
I'm not afraid of finding out a creator exists. But all the ones i've head of sicken me, good thing there is zero evidence for one. As you help to prove, being just another sycophant for a sky-daddy, and providing no evidence, then claiming to have done so. Typical theist.

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Please...take your time and give your answer some good serious thought then cogently list it in your reply using good reasoning and rationale drawing on science and past repeatable experience of simular things.
Hahaha! Because that's what you do right, draw on science and evidence for all your claims? You make me laugh.

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Old 12-19-2010, 04:55 AM   #1082
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Urm, no. See we are rejecting your explanation as being full of shit. That doesn't mean we have to give an alternative explanation, pulled out of our own asses. The burden of proof is on you, mate. We are quite comfortable with saying "I don't know" to some of life's greatest questions. As Richard Feynman once said, "I think life is much more interesting that way." Also, they wouldnt BE life's greatest questions if answers to them were obvious, would they?



Anthropic principle works for me. And I explained this to you already, for fuck's sake.



I'm not afraid of finding out a creator exists. But all the ones i've head of sicken me, good thing there is zero evidence for one. As you help to prove, being just another sycophant for a sky-daddy, and providing no evidence, then claiming to have done so. Typical theist.



Hahaha! Because that's what you do right, draw on science and evidence for all your claims? You make me laugh.
The point about how earth is just right for life is actually quite interesting, taking into account where it is in relation to its star, plate techtonics, our moon being in the right place for tides and to help hold the earth on its axis for seasons etc. So many things went right that maybe there aren't that many repetitions throughout our universe. I hope that is not the case. This of course no more proves there is a God than any other argument as with all the trillions of possibilities it is perfectly plausable ours planet would arise at some point. Just there are a lot of things earth has just right that worries me as to the possibilities if it being replicated many times over for complex civilisations to comfortably arise. Add the threat of comet strike, ( minimised thanks to where Jupiter is) gamma ray bursts etc and it seems we have been very lucky where we are to have survived long enough to be where we are. Totally of point but , well, its fucking full of snow everywhere.
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Old 12-19-2010, 05:06 AM   #1083
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The norm is for atheists to declare 'I dont [sic] see any evidence of a personal Creator' .... so..... if you dont [sic], then how about telling us by what NON intelligent / NON willful [sic] natural or material source does vast amounts of highly complex specific informational instructions come to be in the first DNA molecule…
We’ll get to real issues in a moment, but first let’s examine how you expose your dichotomous thinking (and woeful command of the English language) here:

You are not capable of understanding or accepting probabilities. This is the “norm” for theists (in my experience at least) who seem only to be able to function by convincing themselves that there are certainties and that somehow scientists offer these up daily.

Furthermore you cannot accept that anyone else could possibly function otherwise therefore you demand that disparate viewpoints be shoehorned into your own falsely dichotomous categories.

In this way there is no room for questioning; no scope for hypothesis testing; no room for science, yet you shamelessly pilfer fruits from the bounty provided by science and then gorge yourself on them before vomiting them up saying “look what I think I know!”
It’s an ugly mess and it stinks.

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… when the very CoFounder [sic] of the dna [sic] structure , Dr. Francis Crick, affirms [sic] the probability of the first DNA cell coming about by atheistic means at 1 to the 40,000 th power chance ?...quote]

Now hang on just a sec…this is clearly cut and pasted from an old IDiot resource. The use of the present tense belies the age of this source since Crick died in 2004 and if you’re going to do this sort of thing at least copy it down correctly from these shitty sources who say that it’s “one in ten to the 40,000th power to form by chance in the primordial ooze,” you dolt.

Hypocrite.

Now to some real issues:

Just because Crick has a place in the history of science does not mean his word is “gospel,” (I’m not the only one who can’t find a credible resource to confirm that Crick actually even said this at all…any and all help locating this greatly appreciated!)
Real scientists don’t operate like fuzzy-minded theists by constantly appealing to authority and craving certainties; they allow the works of science to stand or fall based on their own merits.

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… then cogently list it in your reply using good reasoning and rationale drawing on science and past repeatable experience of simular [sic] things.
Ok. Here’s some light bedtime reading from Talkorigins
Also check out [url= http://www.pnas.org/content/98/3/815.full.pdf+html]the interesting experiment conducted by Dworkin at al in 2001
that shows how complex biological molecules and rudimentary cell membranes can form spontaneously without the added fictional ingredient of a creator.

Your “god” is a ridiculous and grotesque projection of your own warped sense of your ideal self reinforced by mythic tracts based on magical thinking distilled over centuries to the point of absurdity.

Invisibility and nothingness look an awful lot alike.
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:07 AM   #1084
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Old 12-19-2010, 07:37 AM   #1085
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...the very CoFounder of the dna structure , Dr. Francis Crick, affirms the probability of the first DNA cell coming about by atheistic means at 1 to the 40,000 th power chance ...
As with many steaming piles of shit, there is a kernel of troof tucked inside.

It was actually Crick's asshole buddy, Fred Hoyle, who pulled the 1 in 10 ^ 40K number out of his rectum, though Crick did endorse long odds (that's it for the kernel of truth), at least temporarily.

Crick later conceded that there was sufficient evidence to support a hypothesis that proto-RNA structures could have given rise to the DNA cell (sic). He made this concession based on new research in the field.

Why was he so keen to doubt that the beginnings of life could have emerged on Earth's timescale in the first place? And why cite Hoyle, an astonomer? Because Crick was -- or rather, had been -- a champion of the Panspermia Hypothesis. (Ex-Atheist, as a cumchugger you should know that panspermia probably isn't as delicious as it sounds.)

It's funny how scientists will change their minds based on new evidence, whereas cumchugging panspermy boys clinging to Sky Fairies -- with zero evidence -- can never change their minds. Not funny ha-ha. Funny fucked up.

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Old 12-19-2010, 11:36 AM   #1086
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Sweet leprechauns! Is Extra Stupid still trying to get everybody to smell his finger? Shouldn't he be busy shining up his jingle bells and sugaring up his sugar plums, and doing all of the other things good little dolts should be doing to get ready for Santa?

Santa IS real, you know? You atheists with your unscientific atheist belief system can't understand.

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Old 12-20-2010, 02:16 PM   #1087
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...Dr. Francis Crick, affirms the probability of the first DNA cell coming about by atheistic means at 1 to the 40,000 th power chance ?
I may be rusty on my math, but 1 to the 40,000th power is ... wait for it ... 1.

Edit: Judge and Philboid already addressed this. Godamnit!!! When will I learn to read through all the replies before posting?

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Old 12-20-2010, 07:11 PM   #1088
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The point about how earth is just right for life is actually quite interesting, taking into account where it is in relation to its star, plate techtonics, our moon being in the right place for tides and to help hold the earth on its axis for seasons etc.
I see that we are in a rare place for things like us to be able to survive. But that doesn't mean there aren't also other places completely different, and called home by completely different creatures.
I mean we evolved to fit this world, even the atmosphere was heavily modified by life.
Okay I doubt anything is perfectly at home being bathed in massive gamma rays, but there is still a lot of universe out there.
Of course there is a big difference between life being fairly common (in astronomical terms) and actually being able to travel to/communicate with anyone else, ever.

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Old 12-20-2010, 09:43 PM   #1089
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Dr. Francis Crick, affirms the probability of the first DNA cell coming about by atheistic means at 1 to the 40,000 th power chance ?
1^n = 1 you muppet, for any n.

You may have meant 10^n (where n is a number so big it is almost certainly made up). However, this is a very large number. Unfortunately for you this is still wrong as in probability theory 1 is the highest and denotes certainty. Perhaps you meant 10^-n? That would be a statement that the thing you are describing (which, referring to "atheistic means", is quite retarded) is very unlikely. Either way, you're a fucking bell end guv'nor.


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Old 12-21-2010, 10:18 AM   #1090
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1^n = 1 you muppet, for any n.

You may have meant 10^n (where n is a number so big it is almost certainly made up). However, this is a very large number. Unfortunately for you this is still wrong as in probability theory 1 is the highest and denotes certainty. Perhaps you meant 10^-n? That would be a statement that the thing you are describing (which, referring to "atheistic means", is quite retarded) is very unlikely. Either way, you're a fucking bell end guv'nor.


Got any more bullshit you thick cunt? *



* This is a rhetorical question since you have nothing but bullshit. Even a Bull's rectum would consider you to be a superior specialist in the area of bullshit.

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My humanitarian nature compels me to petition you for compassion for this simple-minded toilet-sitting philosopher.

Firstly, you should be made aware that Extra Stupid Theist has a court-ordered handicapped sign nailed to his forehead.

Frankly, it’s a fucking miracle that the guy can count to ten. I have it from a reliable source that he can count to 20 with his shoes off, and even make it to 20 and ½ when completely naked. Credit should be given where credit is due.

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Old 12-21-2010, 10:46 AM   #1091
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Oh, how I missed you, you irascible nitwit:

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...how about telling us by what NON intelligent / NON willful natural or material source does vast amounts of highly complex specific informational instructions come to be in the first DNA molecule
In the same way that an extraordinarily complex, and yet completely natural, snowflake is formed by completely natural processes.

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How did the 150 plus razor edge precise Physics Constants...
Stop thinking like a puddle.

Whatever "constants" there are existed before us. The Earth formed the way it did because of those constants, not the other way around. There were no set specifications for the Earth for which some set of constants had to be "tuned." The parameters of the universe simply were what they were, and the Earth formed according to them.

Same, too, with life on Earth. Certain conditions existed, and life developed to fit into thsoe conditions. There were no set specifications for what life had to be, requiring those conditions to be "tuned" in order for life to exist. The parameters of the Earth simply were what they were, and life formed according to it.

Or, more simply: the water filled the pothole. The pothole was designed to hold the water.

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Please...take your time and give your answer some good serious thought then cogently list it in your reply
Don't demand answers from us. And don't ask for a cogent list, when we all know that you're going to block-quote whole posts before giving one-line answers.

There are perfectly reasonable, natural answers to all of your questions. But you have chosen to ignore them because you want to believe in your absurd personal theistic creator god-person. Don't pretend that anything we say is going to change your microscopic mind.

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Ive given in this thread much scientific evidence...
You have done no such thing, and you know you haven't. You are a liar.

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...give a very scholarly answer to just the couple of examples i listed above...
We have, indeed, covered this all already, and yet I still answered your questions. But we both know that you will ignore my answers, claim that they aren't enough, they aren't the right kinds of answers, and other lame excuses, ad infinitum, ad nauseum...

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...want to become an atheist.
It's not a matter of wanting. People become Christians when they want to believe that there is more to the world than the world. People become atheists when they accept that wanting is not enough to turn infantile fantasies into reality.

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...an answer that has 'I dont know but neither do you' in it is disqualified.
You have no authority to "qualify" or "disqualify" any answers, you arrogant little nitwit.

The answers are what the answers are. The fact that you don't like them, just because they don't include your imaginary god-person, doesn't change what they are.

atheist (n): one who remains unconvinced.
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Old 12-21-2010, 10:55 AM   #1092
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I see that we are in a rare place for things like us to be able to survive. But that doesn't mean there aren't also other places completely different, and called home by completely different creatures.
I mean we evolved to fit this world, even the atmosphere was heavily modified by life.
Okay I doubt anything is perfectly at home being bathed in massive gamma rays, but there is still a lot of universe out there.
Of course there is a big difference between life being fairly common (in astronomical terms) and actually being able to travel to/communicate with anyone else, ever.
I know this is off topic but I am not saying life per say may not be distributed in many many places throughout the universe, just that for complex life like ourselves, earth is our only example of a planet, ( and our stellar history) that can support our level of advanced life or more advanced. It just so happens that our planet has a lot of bits of good fortune. Does that mean I don't believe that there are more advanced or equally advanced beings, no , but It does harm the likelihood obviously.
Lets hope they don't all wish to zoom over here to analyze our arse holes.
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:12 AM   #1093
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And now, for something completely different ; the following is the current U.S. National STD Epidemic statistics thats resulted from godless living --- how are you doing in Britain ??? Are you able to make the correlation between secular humanism and the drastic consequences which are very often even fatal ? :


Here are some quick facts:
  • Sexually Transmitted Diseases are the most common diseases in American next to the common cold and flu.
  • The estimated total number of people living in the US with a incurable STD is over 65 million. Every year, there are approximately 9 million new cases of STDs, among 15-24 year olds. (That is nearly 25,000 a day!) In the general population there are nearly 19 million people infected each year. (52,000 a day)
  • More than 1 in 5 Americans are presently infected with an STD.
  • 20 different STDs are rampant among the young.
  • Less than half of adults ages 18 to 44 have ever been tested for an STD other than HIV/AIDS.
  • Often, people infected with STDs do not have initial symptoms and can transmit disease unknowingly to new partners.
  • Of the STDs that are diagnosed, only some (gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, hepatitis A and B) are required to be reported to state health departments and the CDC.
  • It is estimated that as many as one in four Americans have genital herpes, a lifelong (but manageable) infection, yet up to 90 percent of those with herpes are unaware they have it.
  • At least 15 percent of all American women who are infertile can attribute it to tubal damage caused by pelvic inflammatory disease (PID) , the result of an untreated STD.
  • STDs often cause chronic pain and permanent damage.

Source: Is Sex Safe?, (brochure) Heritage House '76, Inc. 2008
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:18 AM   #1094
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Urm, no. See we are rejecting your explanation as being full of shit. That doesn't mean we have to give an alternative explanation, pulled out of our own asses. The burden of proof is on you, mate. We are quite comfortable with saying "I don't know" to some of life's greatest questions..........
I see....now its 'I dont know' , but you DO know that a personal theistic Creator definitely does not exist which would mean youd be morally culpable for how you lived . Atheism is getting more and more convenient all the time ! Lastly, its not ME that has to give you the proof because youve already got enough --- it is now encumbant upon YOU to stop playing the charade of lies that your immense atheistic faith is centered around .
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:27 AM   #1095
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In a related study, it has been shown that the incidence of STDs has increased as the number of horse-drawn carriages has decreased, and the number of cars has increased.

The only way to stop this widespread epidemic is to get rid of cars and start using horse-drawn carriages again.






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