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01-21-2010, 09:21 AM

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Simple Mind wrote

no luck, most likely

it's only going to get worse
I predict at some point America will become a christian theocracy

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Irreligious · 01-21-2010, 09:48 AM

I'm inclined to agree with Lily here. Shocking, I know.

But I don't think the vast majority of Christians in the U.S. want to live under a theocracy, and those who do (a very vocal minority) already think we are living in a theocracy. They're the ones who think that Jesus inspired the U.S. Constitution.

nkb · 01-21-2010, 09:54 AM

I don't doubt that you are right, Irr, but I wonder why that is. If you are a fully believing Christian, and you believe that everything in the Bible is the word of God, and shows you how to live your life, and what the laws should be, why wouldn't you want a theocracy (in your particular flavor, of course)?

Oh wait, I think I just answered my own question: "If you are a fully believing Christian...".

Irreligious · 01-21-2010, 10:10 AM

What constitutes a fully believing Christian in a secular society where folks are free to believe anything they want as it pertains Christianity?

I've met serially divorced Christians; unapologetically philandering Christians; extremely racist Christians; Christians who promote diversity; homosexual Christians; Christians who believe Jesus was a prophet and not a god; Christians who believe that Jesus was one of the first proponents of capitalism; Christians who believe Jesus espoused socialist principles; Christians who've pored over every verse of the Bible and interpreted for themselves what those verses actually mean, and I've even met Christians who have not ever read page one of the Bible and have no intention of ever doing so.

Our secular culture and our secular laws tolerate them all.

nkb · 01-21-2010, 10:31 AM

Right, a fully believing Christian is a rare animal in the Western world. The vast majority pick and choose what they follow, and a significant percentage (I'm guessing), deep down inside, know it's bullshit.

Smellyoldgit · 01-21-2010, 10:47 AM

Just wait for the bovine 'not true' 'uninformed' 'poorly educated' mantra!

nkb · 01-21-2010, 10:50 AM

You mean, just wait for the usual Lily post?

Irreligious · 01-21-2010, 10:52 AM

But she really means "poorly indoctrinated." And I would plead guilty.

01-21-2010, 12:49 PM

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tjakey wrote

Guess what Simple, Obama is a man of the people as well, and a self avowed "born again" as well.

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you missed the retard part in Bush's case

01-21-2010, 12:54 PM

I dunno, If I had a dime for every time I heard some thumper around here spout off
"freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion" I could retire

01-21-2010, 06:12 PM

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Simple Mind wrote

I dunno,"freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion" I could retire

That is about the dumbest fucking thing anyone has ever said.

But religion is not going to be the end of the US. Today, the right wing SC gave corporations the absolute right to buy elections...even non US corporations as far as I can tell. THAT is the end of the US as far as I am concernend.

Demigod79 · 01-21-2010, 08:08 PM

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nkb wrote

Right, a fully believing Christian is a rare animal in the Western world. The vast majority pick and choose what they follow, and a significant percentage (I'm guessing), deep down inside, know it's bullshit.

I think the vast majority have not read the bible enough to be able to pick and choose anything. I think most of them just follow whatever they've heard in church.

thomastwo · 01-22-2010, 06:04 PM

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nkb wrote

I don't doubt that you are right, Irr, but I wonder why that is. If you are a fully believing Christian, and you believe that everything in the Bible is the word of God, and shows you how to live your life, and what the laws should be, why wouldn't you want a theocracy (in your particular flavor, of course)?

I think the answer to that question is because the Bible doesn't command or even recommend a theocracy. The religious right in the US don't want a theocracy. They value the separation of Church and State.

01-22-2010, 06:12 PM

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thomastwo wrote

I think the answer to that question is because the Bible doesn't command or even recommend a theocracy. The religious right in the US don't want a theocracy. They value the separation of Church and State.

no they don't

they value not paying taxes and the government staying out of religion
they DO NOT however wish to remain out of government

lostsheep · 01-22-2010, 06:14 PM

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thomastwo wrote

I think the answer to that question is because the Bible doesn't command or even recommend a theocracy.

Jesus did seem to support this [the coin thing] though the OT certainly did not.

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thomastwo wrote

The religious right in the US don't want a theocracy. They value the separation of Church and State.

Have you lost your mind? Seriously, Thomas, I am flabbergasted.