10-09-2009, 06:56 AM
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Captain Relativity wrote
I'm a little surprised that the stench of T. Stupidest Cow hasn't already invaded and pervaded this thread. It's not like her to miss an opportunity like this.
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While we're waiting for the Annoying One, let me jump in.
The Nobel Committee are obviously a bunch of leftist liberal thugs. I mean, they value peace, for fuck's sake!
Obama is their Golden Boy, why wouldn't they give it to him after all their efforts to get him elected. My only question is, what is he giving them in return? He must be giving them something.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
George Bernard Shaw
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10-09-2009, 06:57 AM
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He also stopped the Rocket Shield project, which was driving the Russians back to the Cold War.
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10-09-2009, 07:04 AM
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My only question is, what is he giving them in return? He must be giving them something.
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Well, he resisted the urge to bomb Copenhagen after that humiliating rebuff by the NOC last week.
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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10-09-2009, 07:21 AM
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He who walks among the theists
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That's just the tip of the iceberg. You know there's more.
I have heard reliable rumors (Rush and Glenn told me) that he has agreed to sell all white Christians into slavery. I don't want to alarm anyone, but them's the facts.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
George Bernard Shaw
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10-09-2009, 07:38 AM
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Yeah, it's certainly arguable whether or not Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize (I've already conceded that the award is, at least, premature), but does this reaction from a redstate.com blogger sound like someone who is not obsessed with race:
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I did not realize the Nobel Peace Prize had an affirmative action quota for it, but that is the only thing I can think of for this news. There is no way Barack Obama earned it in the nominations period.
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I mean, this is not just a castigation of Obama's selection by the Nobel Peace Prize Committee (which is fair), but it also implies that black people, in general, are incapable of achieving anything on merit.
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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10-09-2009, 08:00 AM
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Captain Relativity wrote
I'm a little surprised that the stench of T. Stupidest Cow hasn't already invaded and pervaded this thread. It's not like her to miss an opportunity like this.
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She's busy writing.
"When science was in its infancy, religion tried to strangle it in its cradle." - Robert G. Ingersoll
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10-09-2009, 08:03 AM
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Irreligious wrote
I mean, this is not just a castigation of Obama's selection by the Nobel Peace Prize Committee (which is fair), but it also implies that black people, in general, are incapable of achieving anything on merit.
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What a stupid fucking comment from a stupid fucking clown.
I can almost guarantee that the asshole Norwegian that pushed for Obama, Thorbjøn Jagland (ex-prime minister for Norway), did not want to give Obama the prize because of his ethnicity.
The fact that people still focus on Obama being black (isn’t he half white?) pisses me off. Why the fucking fuck does people feel their energy is best spent pointing out the obvious? For fucks sake what mother fucking difference does his skin colour make? FUCK.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then is he malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~Epicurus
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10-09-2009, 09:23 AM
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The fact that people still focus on Obama being black (isn’t he half white?) pisses me off.
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We've had this discussion on the forums before, more than once.
It's just an odd fact of history and, hence, social convention that one who is the product of both a European-descended parent and a parent descended from sub-Sahara Africa is automatically black in most people's minds and, often, in the minds of the "mixed-race" individuals resulting from such unions, though there are some who resent it for a wide variety of reasons.
On some level, I find it maddening/baffling, too, but it's very difficult to battle such an ingrained perception. As a black man who cannot account for any white ancestors I may have (I have no actual knowledge of any white ancestors that I may or may not have), I don't know that it would be my natural inclination to adopt such a perception without the imposition of a broader "objective" view that has, time and again, said to me: "Suck it up, dude. That's just the way it is."
It's what I felt compelled to tell my mixed-race daughter when she was 9 years old.
Still, I'd long wondered "why" it had to be that way until this 2007 post by Professor Chaos crystalized it for me:
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Because the vast majority of Americans are white. When someone appears different physically because half of their genetic makeup comes from a race that is not their own, they get that label. Just like your Malcom X story.
It all boils down to physical appearance. Why is Derek Jeter not "acknowledged" as black?
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My Malcolm X story, by the way, was about how Ghanaians in Africa were nonplussed over the red-haired and relatively light-skinned Nation of Islam leader claiming to be black like them when he delivered a speech there in the early 1960s.
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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10-09-2009, 11:44 AM
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Irreligious wrote
On some level, I find it maddening/baffling, too, but it's very difficult to battle such an ingrained perception.
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I love to battle ingrained perceptions. In fact I think the only way to change such perceptions is to challenge them whenever they arise. Hopefully within a hundred years, probably well after my death, people will learn to look past physical differences and assign a greater value to the induviduals brain (i.e. moral values, ideas and thoughts) instead of physical apperance such as skin colour. But I'm not holding my breath
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then is he malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~Epicurus
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10-09-2009, 01:34 PM
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nkb wrote
While we're waiting for the Annoying One, let me jump in.
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While I don't believe that Obama has even come close to earning this award I am glad he did just because it will infuriate the faux news brigade.
As for diminishing the value of the prize, they pretty much smeared shit all over it and left it in the sun to dry after Arafat got it. It has about as much integrity as ted haggard in a bath-house
You can always turn tricks for a few extra bucks. If looks are an issue, there's the glory hole option, but don't expect more than ... tips.
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10-09-2009, 01:47 PM
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Smellyoldgit wrote
Some BBC dood wrote:-
The award is certainly unexpected and might be regarded as more of an encouragement for intentions than a reward for achievements.
After all, the president has been in office for a little over eight months and he might hope to serve eight years. His ambition for a world free of nuclear weapons is one that is easier to declare than to achieve and a climate control agreement has yet to be reached.
Indeed, the citation indicates that it is President Obama's world view that attracted the Nobel committee - that diplomacy should be founded "on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population".
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The Nobel Peace Prize lost all of its luster for me when it was given to Kissinger and "Mother" Theresa and Arafat. I think our president should (politely) refuse to be associated with such blots on the human spirit.
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
"Reality, the God alternative"
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10-09-2009, 01:52 PM
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Obama does have one significant (and until today, under-appreciated) accomplishment: Iran. Ego Man did more to facilitate Persian Play Nice with one day of diplomacy than the Cowboy Monkey did in eight years of penis-rattling.
And have you seen the other nominees? Sarkozy. (What?) Denis Mukwege (Who?) Ingrid Betancourt (Why?) It shouldn't be that shocking it went to the Thugster.
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Phrases well turned.
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
"Reality, the God alternative"
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10-09-2009, 02:13 PM
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VladTheImpaler wrote
I love to battle ingrained perceptions. In fact I think the only way to change such perceptions is to challenge them whenever they arise. Hopefully within a hundred years, probably well after my death, people will learn to look past physical differences and assign a greater value to the induviduals brain (i.e. moral values, ideas and thoughts) instead of physical apperance such as skin colour. But I'm not holding my breath
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It's happening now. A method is to shake the head & turn on a heel if ever it starts. Then next time you meet, pretend it never happened. Seems to work, shame I can't do that on here If there are witnesses you might even get some shrugs.
thank goodness he's on our side
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10-09-2009, 05:32 PM
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Quote:
Philboid Studge wrote
Obama does have one significant (and until today, under-appreciated) accomplishment: Iran. Ego Man did more to facilitate Persian Play Nice with one day of diplomacy than the Cowboy Monkey did in eight years of penis-rattling.
And have you seen the other nominees? Sarkozy. (What?) Denis Mukwege (Who?) Ingrid Betancourt (Why?) It shouldn't be that shocking it went to the Thugster.
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From the Article "The Thank God You're Not Bush Prize"
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The contrast effect works in many domains, including the political. And yes, it can even cause intelligent, well meaning people to confuse bringing peace to people with giving inspirational speeches about bringing peace to people.
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10-10-2009, 09:45 AM
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Well, he resisted the urge to bomb Copenhagen after that humiliating rebuff by the NOC last week.
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Oops. That should have read IOC.
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
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