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Old 07-09-2008, 12:55 PM   #1
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Student kidnaps Eucharist - commits mortal sin

http://www.wftv.com/news/16798008/detail.html

A college student, upset that his student fees in a state supported school were being used to finance Catholic religious ceremonies, pocketed the Eucharist and took it home!

The Eucharist is a dry, tasteless, unleavened piece of flour which when blessed is the actual 'Body of Christ'.

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"It is hurtful," said Father Migeul Gonzalez with the Diocese. "Imagine if they kidnapped somebody and you make a plea for that individual to please return that loved one to the family."

Gonzalez said intentionally abusing the Eucharist is classified as a mortal sin in the Catholic church, the most severe possible. If it's not returned, the community of faith will have to ask for forgiveness.

"We have to make acts of reparation," Gonzalez said. "The whole community is going to turn to prayer. We'll ask the Lord for pardon, forgiveness, peace, not only for the whole community affected by it, but also for [Cook], we offer prayers for him as well."
The student involved claims heís getting death threats for messing with something sacred.
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Old 07-10-2008, 02:07 PM   #2
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I read that. How can that be a hate crime?

Still in the bible Genocide, Rape, Sexual slavery, War crimes, brutality, all OK, however you steal a piece of bread!!!!!.........
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Old 07-10-2008, 02:16 PM   #3
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Also is it me but the idea of eating the flesh of any human, Christ or otherwise, (whether it is symbolic ie the Anglican Church and literal as in Catholicism), is Cannibalism and somewhat sick?!?
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:30 AM   #4
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I assume most of you will have seen P.Z.Myers post about this:

IT'S A FRACKINí CRACKER!

Well Bill Donohue has seen it and the Catholics are going menkle about it:

Fight back against Bill Donohue!

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Old 07-11-2008, 04:48 AM   #5
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Also is it me but the idea of eating the flesh of any human, Christ or otherwise, (whether it is symbolic ie the Anglican Church and literal as in Catholicism), is Cannibalism and somewhat sick?!?
It tastes wonderful if you are a Catholic, I am told. Haven't tried it myself. I think we should seek advice on this one from Lily.
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:36 AM   #6
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Why is it that so many people believe that freedom of speech means freedom from the consequences of that speech? In this country that particular right only guarantees that the government won't lock you up. Everyone else is going to exercise his or her right to react to that speech as they wish. To not understand that is to invite grief. Meyers needs to grow up quickly and learn how the world works.

It is simply too bad that you don't understand why every single Catholic in creation would be livid (a weak word in this context) over this act. You don't have to understand anything. Just be very certain that actions have consequences and that certain actions are, by their nature, going to arouse some very deep passions. One arouses those passions at one's own risk.
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Old 07-11-2008, 11:15 AM   #7
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Why is it that so many people believe that freedom of speech means freedom from the consequences of that speech? In this country that particular right only guarantees that the government won't lock you up. Everyone else is going to exercise his or her right to react to that speech as they wish. To not understand that is to invite grief. Meyers needs to grow up quickly and learn how the world works.

It is simply too bad that you don't understand why every single Catholic in creation would be livid (a weak word in this context) over this act. You don't have to understand anything. Just be very certain that actions have consequences and that certain actions are, by their nature, going to arouse some very deep passions. One arouses those passions at one's own risk.
I understand that Roman Catholics think a wafer is actually the body of their lord and savior. Personally, I wouldn't want to piss them off by deliberately playing with their beliefs in their house of worship anymore than I would want to piss off a group of Muslims by mocking their cherished beliefs in front of them.

I agree with you that there is an inherent risk in offending the sensibilities of others. But, come on, Lily, it's a friggin' cracker.

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Old 07-11-2008, 10:15 PM   #8
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Why is it that so many people believe that freedom of speech means freedom from the consequences of that speech? In this country that particular right only guarantees that the government won't lock you up. Everyone else is going to exercise his or her right to react to that speech as they wish. To not understand that is to invite grief. Meyers needs to grow up quickly and learn how the world works.

It is simply too bad that you don't understand why every single Catholic in creation would be livid (a weak word in this context) over this act. You don't have to understand anything. Just be very certain that actions have consequences and that certain actions are, by their nature, going to arouse some very deep passions. One arouses those passions at one's own risk.
What if I desecrated the host and posted pictures in this forum? Would your passions be aroused enough for you to leave us and never return?

Cause you know I could take an hour out of my day on Sunday...

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Old 07-12-2008, 08:04 AM   #9
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Why is it that so many people believe that freedom of speech means freedom from the consequences of that speech? In this country that particular right only guarantees that the government won't lock you up. Everyone else is going to exercise his or her right to react to that speech as they wish. To not understand that is to invite grief. Meyers needs to grow up quickly and learn how the world works.
Fuck you , it's a cracker.

It is symbolic and made in a cracker factory just like every other cracker.

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It is simply too bad that you don't understand why every single Catholic in creation would be livid (a weak word in this context) over this act. You don't have to understand anything. Just be very certain that actions have consequences and that certain actions are, by their nature, going to arouse some very deep passions. One arouses those passions at one's own risk.
Bullshit , it's a cracker.

I feel the same way about shit. I hold shit as symbolic to my holy god and if anyone flushes their shit down the toilet , they will have pissed my belief system off and will face concequences of my followers which include violence and abuse.

Is that ok for you ?
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Old 07-12-2008, 08:39 AM   #10
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Fuck you , it's a cracker.

It is symbolic and made in a cracker factory just like every other cracker.

Thank you for your wholly irrelevant and original opinion. We do not share it and will act accordingly.
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Old 07-12-2008, 08:48 AM   #11
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Thank you for your wholly irrelevant and original opinion. We do not share it and will act accordingly.
I, like millions, ascribe to AJF's Holy Feaces as well. I trust you will be refraining from flushing the toilet?

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Old 07-12-2008, 08:52 AM   #12
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Thank you for your wholly irrelevant and original opinion. We do not share it and will act accordingly.
i have a cunning plan for you poeple...

Why don't you get a list of all the people who work in the factory that make the crackers. Then you can hunt them down, abuse them , threaten them and make claims against them for when you get like broken crackers in the box.

Why leave it at that ? why not get the parcel couriers details also , that way those crackers that break in transit can also be traced back to those sinful people and they can be punished acordingly.

fucking wankers.
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:00 AM   #13
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i have a cunning plan for you poeple...

Why don't you get a list of all the people who work in the factory that make the crackers. Then you can hunt them down, abuse them , threaten them and make claims against them for when you get like broken crackers in the box.

Why leave it at that ? why not get the parcel couriers details also , that way those crackers that break in transit can also be traced back to those sinful people and they can be punished acordingly.

fucking wankers.
What has this got to do with anything? There is no problem with the factory, the people who work in it, the amount of breakage, etc. This is just the utter bad-tempered, ill-bred cluelessness of homo Buttheadiensis being given a voice. Its mommy ought to shut it up.
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Old 08-10-2008, 06:54 AM   #14
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I thought the person who claimed that Catholics all over the world should be "livid" over the desecrations would have an insight.
What I actually said was:
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It is simply too bad that you don't understand why every single Catholic in creation would be livid (a weak word in this context) over this act.
Should means ought. I didn't claim that because I have no particular right to tell people how they ought to feel. A fairly intelligent reading of that post will demonstrate that I claimed that every Catholic (=believes in the Real Presence and Transubstantiation) would be livid. The difference is not subtle, Studge. I was trying to get at the visceral reaction to desecration. Most humans do not allow what they hold dear to be trashed without protest.

Since belief in the Real Presence and in Transubstantiation are the distinctive beliefs that set Catholics apart from Protestants, your non-believing Catholics aren't Catholics in anything but name. Why would they or should they be livid over something they don't believe in?

Of course, you can't ask a straightforward question or stay on topic. So who can know what you are really talking about? I guess this is the "insight" you thought I might have but who can tell with you?

And we go 'round and 'round in circles.

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I know one thing that the Church teaches that you seem to have forgotten: Catholics are supposed to be guided by the love of Christ in their interactions with atheists. That's why I often tell you I love you, so that you can keep up the pretence. Maybe you haven't forgotten it, but just haven't learned it yet -- you are after all quite new to the flock.
You tell me that you love me because it amuses you, as do all your various mockeries. I don't mind. It is silly but harmless.

Christ loved sinners; he did not love sin; it cost him his life. That love is not a warm, fuzzy feeling. It is an act of the will that demands the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Mockery of what is good, hate, contempt, such as Myers demonstrated, and the abuse of other humans are evil. Those who praise such things are not helped by anyone pretending that those things don't matter. They do.

I will not pretend that black is white, up is down, and evil is good. You would do well to stop fooling yourself.
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Old 08-10-2008, 07:07 AM   #15
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Professor,
Don't forget, all the Catholics that don't take transubstantiation all too seriously, aren't really Catholics. A simple "No True Catholic" argument magically makes her statement valid (in Lily's world).
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A fairly intelligent reading of that post will demonstrate that I claimed that every Catholic (=believes in the Real Presence and Transubstantiation) would be livid.
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Since belief in the Real Presence and in Transubstantiation are the distinctive beliefs that set Catholics apart from Protestants, your non-believing Catholics aren't Catholics in anything but name. Why would they or should they be livid over something they don't believe in?
We can read Lily like a cheap Hustler paperback.

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