10-13-2009, 02:04 PM
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Is there any evidence of monkeys evolving since the begining of the humans?Not before
I am not trying to mock or trying to be a smart ass. I am seriously trying to found out and do research.
Since the humans started roaming the earth thousands and thousands of years ago, and came from monkeys, I am trying to find out if there are any incidents through out the human history that shows monkeys are slowly evolving to humans right now. I think since humans came from monkeys and basically monkeys slowly evolved to humans, shouldnt they still continue to evolve today and we humans should be able to see that? I know it takes thousands of years for something to evolve, but thousands of years have passed since the first human. But monkeys seem to stay the same monkey since the beginning. Would I be able to find information that shows me what I am looking for?
Please be serious with your answers and I am serious in asking my question. If you are going to call names and make stupid comments please don't bother.
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10-13-2009, 02:22 PM
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Since the humans started roaming the earth thousands and thousands of years ago, and came from monkeys--
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No, humans did not come from monkeys. Humans evolved from types of apes that no longer exist (as did monkeys). We're all apes and we're all related.
However there are monkeys that are evolving into birds. They are Flying Monkeys and they report to Lily.
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10-13-2009, 02:22 PM
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Humans are not a monkey end point. Species evolve when a random genetic deformity turns out to facilitate survival (which it hardly ever does).
Species survive because they fill a niche. This niche is very full.
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10-13-2009, 02:23 PM
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Philboid Studge wrote
However there are monkeys that are evolving into birds. They are Flying Monkeys and they report to Lily.
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No, the Pope. He has the shoes.
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10-13-2009, 02:25 PM
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Yes monkeys are still evolving, so are humans.
You need to better your understanding of what a long time is.
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10-13-2009, 02:27 PM
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No, the Pope. He has the shoes.
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And his little dogma, too.
(Okay, I think we've reached the three strike rule with that joke.)
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10-13-2009, 02:34 PM
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monkeyuser wrote
I am not trying to mock or trying to be a smart ass. I am seriously trying to found out and do research.
Since the humans started roaming the earth thousands and thousands of years ago, and came from monkeys, I am trying to find out if there are any incidents through out the human history that monkeys are slowly evolving to humans right now.
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To my knowledge, no. Some research indicates that they have some of the same cognitive and social processing tendancies as humans, but I am unaware of any evidence that these are increasing over time independent of human intervention.
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I think since humans came from monkeys
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According to traditional models humans evolved from apes, although more recent findings have led some to suggest that apes actually branched off from humans. Saying humans came from monkeys is like saying that you were born from your cousin.
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and basically monkeys slowly evolved to humans, shouldnt they still continue to evolve today and we humans should be able to see that?
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In terms of seeing it on a generation by generation basis, no. The life-cycle is just too long to make those kinds of observations immediately pragmatic. If you're looking to see evolution happen before your eyes, go get some fruit flies.
If you're talking about seeing it in some way, then yes. The common ancestors of humans and other apes (nakalipithecus, 8-10 million years ago) are long extinct, their decendants having evolved into use and the other ape species.
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I know it takes thousands of years for something to evolve, but thousands of years have passed since the first human. But monkeys seem to stay the same monkey since the beginning. Would I be able to find information that shows me what I am looking for?
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Natural selection occurs as a function of the number and intensity of selection pressures. In the absence of strong selection pressures, the rate of evolution slows or, arguably, stops. Look at algae. Virtually unchanged for billions of years because it functions perfectly well as is.
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10-13-2009, 02:40 PM
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If you're looking to see evolution happen before your eyes, go get some fruit flies.
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Small flaw (and really, that's all it takes). With fruit flies you can see selection. For evolution you need to ecoli, lots of time, and good freezers.
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10-13-2009, 02:45 PM
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Small flaw (and really, that's all it takes). With fruit flies you can see selection. For evolution you need to ecoli, lots of time, and good freezers.
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You are, of course, entirely correct.
*slits wrists in shame*
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10-13-2009, 02:46 PM
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In the absence of strong selection pressures, the rate of evolution slows or, arguably, stops. Look at algae. Virtually unchanged for billions of years because it functions perfectly well as is.
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Would it be accurate to say it pauses? How long does a pause have to be to become a stop?
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10-13-2009, 02:53 PM
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Would it be accurate to say it pauses? How long does a pause have to be to become a stop?
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Good question, and how much change is enough to declare a pause/stop to have ended, or conversely, begun?
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10-13-2009, 03:09 PM
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According to traditional models humans evolved from apes, although more recent findings have led some to suggest that apes actually branched off from humans. Saying humans came from monkeys is like saying that you were born from your cousin.
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When I meant monkey's I meant apes.
So, if findings leads some to suggest apes came from humans, where does all this go? Wouldn't the question of where did humans come from remain? Unless you want to answer with religion.
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10-13-2009, 03:13 PM
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Yes monkeys are still evolving, so are humans.
You need to better your understanding of what a long time is.
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I think you should be more specific with "still evolving" what do you mean?
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10-13-2009, 03:15 PM
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have you considered doing some basic research before asking stupid questions? It's a little bit of effort, but it has the advantage of not making you look like a fucking retard.
You can always turn tricks for a few extra bucks. If looks are an issue, there's the glory hole option, but don't expect more than ... tips.
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10-13-2009, 03:15 PM
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When I meant monkey's I meant apes.
So, if findings leads some to suggest apes came from humans, where does all this go? Wouldn't the question of where did humans come from remain? Unless you want to answer with religion.
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