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Old 10-27-2008, 10:15 AM   #226
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If amputees don't need healing, then why should God do it ? And if God need not do it then what is the point of asking why God doesn't ?
If God didn't want someone to have two arms and two legs then why place a tiny blueprint specifying as much in each and every cell? In allowing individuals to get sick and loose limbs, is God changing his mind, T2?

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Old 10-27-2008, 10:46 AM   #227
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thomas if I didn't know you better I'd call you a sanctimonious douche-wrangler.

Now that you've discovered the super-secret "athiest position" -- amputees aren't normal! -- perhaps you'll flesh out for us the odious Xtian position that NO ONE is "whole" without the benediction of your Imaginary Friend.
At least it has the benefit of treating people equally ......

But on the issue, do you really think that anybody *is* whole ? Aren't we all dealing with a bunch of issues related to our self-interest, deception, lying and just plain difficulty in getting along with others ? I find the Christian position on this very realistic.
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:12 AM   #228
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Aren't we all dealing with a bunch of issues related to our self-interest, deception, lying and just plain difficulty in getting along with others ? I find the Christian position on this very realistic.
Do you mean the position wherein as a result of being tricked by a talking snake a rib-woman ate an apple which lead to the condemnation of all subsequent humans (all part of her extended family), and the only remedy open to the all powerful being who was in charge of everything was to send himself who is actually not him but is really to be tortured on earth by humans who didn't know who he really was (and/or wasn't) so that other humans who were not yet born (as well as those who were already dead) could avoid punishment for the fruit based transgression and be made whole by knowing the lord simply by believing that all this did really happen?

I do not find this to be all that realistic.

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Old 10-27-2008, 11:46 AM   #229
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You have an accident, and your leg is severed below the knee. The surgeon asks you whether you want it reattached (in this case, let's assume it is medically possible).

Do you accuse the surgeon of being biased against amputees?
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Not sure why you're not answering my question above. Not enough time, or would your reasoning come crashing down if you did?

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Old 10-27-2008, 11:48 AM   #230
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Do you mean the position wherein as a result of being tricked by a talking snake a rib-woman ate an apple which lead to the condemnation of all subsequent humans (all part of her extended family), and the only remedy open to the all powerful being who was in charge of everything was to send himself who is actually not him but is really to be tortured on earth by humans who didn't know who he really was (and/or wasn't) so that other humans who were not yet born (as well as those who were already dead) could avoid punishment for the fruit based transgression and be made whole by knowing the lord simply by believing that all this did really happen?

I do not find this to be all that realistic.
Not realistic, per se, but "at least it has the benefit of treating people equally."

That is, as if everybody suffers equally from the same serious head injury.
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Old 10-27-2008, 12:00 PM   #231
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At least it has the benefit of treating people equally ......

But on the issue, do you really think that anybody *is* whole ? Aren't we all dealing with a bunch of issues related to our self-interest, deception, lying and just plain difficulty in getting along with others ? I find the Christian position on this very realistic.
thomastwo, what has this discussion got to do with how amputees might be treated by anyone on this forum?

Why are you avoiding the point? There is no evidence that prayer heals anybody of any physical ailment, yet there are people who insist that this is possible. I suspect they do because it cannot be demonstrated whether prayer does or does not work in this way. Clearly, no one is going to try to argue that physical deformities-- whether by accident of birth or a mishap after the fact-- can be corrected this way.

For an allegedly omnipotent entity (or should I say those who makes claims on behalf of such an alleged entity), it's mighty convenient to be credited with performing miracles that cannot be demonstrated to be truly miraculous.

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Old 10-27-2008, 12:16 PM   #232
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Not realistic, per se, but "at least it has the benefit of treating people equally."

That is, as if everybody suffers equally from the same serious head injury.
Even that equality is compromised since there are, apparently, those who actually enjoy their head injuries.....

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Old 10-27-2008, 12:47 PM   #233
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But on the issue, do you really think that anybody *is* whole ? Aren't we all dealing with a bunch of issues related to our self-interest, deception, lying and just plain difficulty in getting along with others ? I find the Christian position on this very realistic.
Yes well "life blows" is hardly a Christian discovery. More to the point, the Xtian notion that human frailty can be ameliorated by fetishizing a Sky Bastard zombie from the Iron Age is a bit shaky, in my jaundiced view.
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Old 10-27-2008, 12:51 PM   #234
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If amputees don't need healing, then why should God do it ? And if God need not do it then what is the point of asking why God doesn't ?
Give it time retard, within a decade we evolved mutated primates that created the GOD delusion with our brains WILL heal amputees by regenerating their organs using EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY. This is done TODAY with research animals in the lab. If it weren't for retarded, deluded, stupid, ignorant, psychotic, idiotic, tunnel vision, intolerant, readers of only one book, genocidal psychopaths, self-righteous, book burning, racists, pedophile, anti-science, morons, like people infected with Christ-psychosis IOW, Christianity, humanity would have landed on the moon over 1000 years ago and we wouldn't be having this discussion, but enjoying the panorama in Martianopolis our city in MArs.

Yes, we the true GODS will heal amputees, make the blind see, walk on water, and expel the uncleaned neurological spirits ( mental illness) from the malfunctioning brains of those suffering from the God-Belief, Life-afterdeath, & soul/spirit delusions.

It's all in the brain my friend. Get it repaired.

Christians and other folks infected with delusional beliefs think and reason like schizophrenics or temporal lobe epileptics. Their morality is dictated by an invisible friend called Jesus.
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:46 PM   #235
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Yes well "life blows" is hardly a Christian discovery. More to the point, the Xtian notion that human frailty can be ameliorated by fetishizing a Sky Bastard zombie from the Iron Age is a bit shaky, in my jaundiced view.
Yeh, but I think it's a least a bit more than just "life blows". That feeling must be in relation to some other ideal of life that does not blow. Yet, if none of us experience that life why do we yearn for it ? I take the fundamental dissatisfaction with the way things are as a sign of an in-built knowledge of a restored world - that is beyond our grasp.
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Old 10-27-2008, 02:01 PM   #236
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What the fuck? You mean the fact that we think that the grass is greener on the other side means that this must be true? That is circular logic of such self defeating bootstrappingness as to instantly form a giant goatse and suck you up into it!

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Old 10-27-2008, 02:11 PM   #237
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Yeh, but I think it's a least a bit more than just "life blows". That feeling must be in relation to some other ideal of life that does not blow.
Or it could be just in relation to the same life, during times when it doesn't blow. Anyway that's what I'm going on.

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Yet, if none of us experience that life why do we yearn for it ? I take the fundamental dissatisfaction with the way things are as a sign of an in-built knowledge of a restored world - that is beyond our grasp.
That's like saying my boner is evidence that Liv Tyler really wants me to give her a Cleveland Steamer in an alternate universe.
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Old 10-27-2008, 02:16 PM   #238
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I take the fundamental dissatisfaction with the way things are as a sign of an in-built knowledge of a restored world - that is beyond our grasp.
Discontent is clearly a beneficial evolutionary trait. Spreads the seeds.

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Old 10-27-2008, 03:02 PM   #239
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I take the fundamental dissatisfaction with the way things are as a sign of an in-built knowledge of a restored world - that is beyond our grasp.
Yes! Exactly! Like how I KNOW there is a really awesome "restored" movie version of Stars Wars Eps 1-3, but it is always beyond my grasp.

That's why I'm hoping the Watchmen movie will be like the first coming of Christ.

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Old 10-27-2008, 03:06 PM   #240
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Yes! Exactly! Like how I KNOW there is a really awesome "restored" movie version of Stars Wars Eps 1-3, but it is always beyond my grasp.
Don't you mean 4-6?

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