Abortion

[Sinfidel]

Smellyoldgit wrote

.... but aborted foetuses are so delicious - especially with extra garlic!

[Sinfidel]

jimmyjet wrote

i used the same logic. and it is TOTALLY VALID, if you understand logic.

what it demonstrates is that one can not justify the means by the result.

You are so full of shit....

Phil 1:15-18 (NIV)
15It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached

[jimmyjet]

hi semper,

if you give the woman the right to abort her baby, then she can come up with any reason she wants, thereby giving one person the right to kill another person.

if people are honest, they would agree that they would not have agreed to having their mother choose to abort them.

do unto others is a pretty apt saying, in this case.

[Davin]

Is CreepyJimmyJerry still talking to himself?

I would have been fine if my mother aborted me, I wouldn't have the ability to give any fucks about it at the time and now later in life I'd rather have never existed in the first place. If we're being honest, I'm sure that CreepyJimmyJerry's mum wishes she had aborted him.

Speaking of doing unto others, I wonder if CreepyJimmyJerry, after being raped, would enjoy growing the rapists kid inside him for 9 months then go through intense pain to get it removed... something tells me that he would find all sorts of reasons to make sure he didn't have to.

[Semper Idem]

jimmyjet wrote

hi semper,

if you give the woman the right to abort her baby, then she can come up with any reason she wants, thereby giving one person the right to kill another person.

if people are honest, they would agree that they would not have agreed to having their mother choose to abort them.

do unto others is a pretty apt saying, in this case.

The foetus is in HER womb, not yours or mine. Questions? Didn't think so.

I'll agree that abortion is the death of a potential child, thus making it horrible. Yet remember my analogy about war - war is horrible, yet needed at times. It's the same with abortion - horrible always, sometimes needed.

[jimmyjet]

not sure what you mean by questions ?

it does not matter where the human life is.

we dont have the right to get rid of it, any more than we have the right to get rid of another life, because it does not suit our purpose.

and this is why society rationalizes that it is not yet a human being.

otherwise they are forced to admit that they are murdering a human being.

there is no way to really win an argument for pro-choice. they all center around selfishness.

and as i stated before, if sex and abortion had no connection, there would be no argument about abortion killing a human being.

the pro-choice side can rationalize all it wants.

abortion is not right, it will never be right.

no matter what problem it solves. it may have solved the problem for 2 people, at the expense of taking another person's life who had no say-so in it.

the argument about being in her womb is on the top of the list for women. she should have say-so.

and with the same breath, they will hypocritically state that a man got her pregnant, and is responsible for bringing up the child.

if she wants total right to the child in her body, then she needs to take total responsibility.

of course, i do agree with her that the man is equally responsible for the child.

neither parent has the right to kill the unborn baby.

if they didnt want to take on the responsibility of sex, then dont have sex.

it is totally just that simple.

of course, most males dont have the slightest clue as how to control that part of their life. their penis makes their decisions for them.

[ghoulslime]

jimmyjet wrote

not sure what you mean by questions ?

it does not matter where the human life is.

we dont have the right to get rid of it, any more than we have the right to get rid of another life, because it does not suit our purpose.

and this is why society rationalizes that it is not yet a human being.

otherwise they are forced to admit that they are murdering a human being.

there is no way to really win an argument for pro-choice. they all center around selfishness.

and as i stated before, if sex and abortion had no connection, there would be no argument about abortion killing a human being.

the pro-choice side can rationalize all it wants.

abortion is not right, it will never be right.

no matter what problem it solves. it may have solved the problem for 2 people, at the expense of taking another person's life who had no say-so in it.

the argument about being in her womb is on the top of the list for women. she should have say-so.

and with the same breath, they will hypocritically state that a man got her pregnant, and is responsible for bringing up the child.

if she wants total right to the child in her body, then she needs to take total responsibility.

of course, i do agree with her that the man is equally responsible for the child.

neither parent has the right to kill the unborn baby.

if they didnt want to take on the responsibility of sex, then dont have sex.

it is totally just that simple.

of course, most males dont have the slightest clue as how to control that part of their life. their penis makes their decisions for them.

Is CreepyJimmyJerry still talking to himself?

[jimmyjet]

the bottom line is that we can not objectify the unborn's value, based upon anyone else but the unborn.

it is simply how each and everyone of us spend our first 9 months developing.

we do a lot more developing throughout out childhood.

and still some developing the rest of our entire life.

in one example, the woman aborts a 2-month old unborn, cuz she doesnt want it.

in another example, she has a miscarriage - which in most cases is very traumatic for the woman. we send her condolences, etc. why ? cuz she lost her baby.

the exact same baby. it is not considered a baby if the woman doesnt want it. it is considered a baby if the woman does want it.

the honest answer is easy.

but it makes our lives more difficult. we actually need to take responsibility if we choose to have sex.

RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS.

a simple, but almost non-practiced today.

i realize that the truth hurts. it can cause us to make changes to ourselves that we dont want to make.

killing unborn babies has to be the best example of how totally self-absorbed some people really are.

[Semper Idem]

ghoulslime wrote

Is CreepyJimmyJerry still talking to himself?

He's still talking to me; I intend to continue this conversation later.

As for now, I'm going to bed.

Kisses and that,
Semper Idem.

[Kinich Ahau]

CreepyJimmyJerry is being creepy.

[ILOVEJESUS]

As far as I am aware they are no more alive than a tumour. Should we leave those in us as well when they appear against our wishes? Also is anyone advocating murdering babies here? Didn't think so. What is wrong, exactly, with people having options in their lives? Is it that churches and religions lose power perhaps?

[ghoulslime]

And CreepyJimmyJerry creeps on!

[Davin]

Oh no, CreepyJimmyJerry's mom stopped working!

[Semper Idem]

ILOVEJESUS wrote

As far as I am aware they are no more alive than a tumour. Should we leave those in us as well when they appear against our wishes? Also is anyone advocating murdering babies here? Didn't think so. What is wrong, exactly, with people having options in their lives? Is it that churches and religions lose power perhaps?

By Jove, I think you've got it!

If these pro-lifers were really all about life, they wouldn't cut programs designed to help the already born children. They'd be just as vocal about the gang violence killing more children than abortion. They'd be just as vocal about child sex abuse (would that hit too close to home for them?), poor educational opportunities, poor housing, poor nutrition, and just plain lack of what's needed to sustain life.

When you think about it, being pro-life all across the board is really a very socialist position. If life is a right, then everything needed to sustain life is also a right. That means a right to proper food, clothing, housing, medical care, bathing facilities, education, and employment. It also means abolishing the death penalty. All - repeat, ALL - of these positions are left-wing positions. The fact that so many right-wingers disagree with these positions tells me that the antiabortion thing is really antiwoman at its core.

I could go on, but I have to go to work soon. All I can say now is if someone wants to call themselves pro-life on the abortion thing, they'd better be pro-life all across the board. If not, they're simply antiabortion. Period.

I wonder what @jimmyjet says to that? I'm not being sarcastic; I'd really like to hear his response. Jimmy? The floor is yours.

[Sinfidel]

jimmyjet wrote

hi semper,

if you give the woman the right to abort her baby, then she can come up with any reason she wants, thereby giving one person the right to kill another person.

if people are honest, they would agree that they would not have agreed to having their mother choose to abort them.

do unto others is a pretty apt saying, in this case.