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Old 09-28-2015, 01:02 PM   #76
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1) Logic exists everywhere in the universe.
2) Logic is thought.
3) Thought only comes from a mind.
Therefore, a mind created the universe.

Premise #2 could use some explanation, so I'll add the following:
Logic, in its various forms (including mathematics) has been something we discover, not something invented by man. It is not matter or energy. It does not require any dimensions in order to exist, and can exist outside the universe. What else is left for it to be, except thought?
This is essentially a rephrase of Matt Slick's TAG argument (Transcendental Argument for God's Existence.)

This argument was carefully debated between Matt Slick and Matt Dillahunty on the Atheist experience. In the utube video, Dillahunty clearly showed a flaw to Matt's thinking.

Logical absolutes exist - and are non-contingent on physical reality, and they can only be applied (as logic) by a working mind.

But as Dillahunty pointed out, if there were no minds (no human mind, or mind of God) the logical absolutes would still exist. Without a mind only the application of logic, not the existence of the logical absolutes - are lost. A mind is not needed to create the logical absolutes.

Slick went back to try to amend TAG to soften the premise, that essentially as the logical absolutes exist, and they "reflect" mental activity, then there would be a consistency that a mind may have created the logical absolutes. However by this amendment the TAG argument IMO lost all its force.

Find a link to Slick's most updated TAG argument

https://carm.org/transcendental-argument
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Old 09-29-2015, 07:32 AM   #77
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Find a link to Slick's most updated TAG argument
What a load of tedious wank.
You fucking idiots really should get out more.

Stop the Holy See men!
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Logic disputes circular arguments, i.e., the idea of God is not a good premise for logic.
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Old 07-11-2016, 01:27 AM   #79
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There is no logic to believing in God, none whatsoever.
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Old 09-04-2016, 11:55 AM   #80
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Gosh i love the number pi, 3.14159265358979323... and forever it continues. If you can explain the logic of this i might actually listen.
Nobody ever finishes with pi. One just keeps eating and eating until they realize there is no end to pi, and that they might have had ice cream with it as well.

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Logic does not equal thought.
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