Thomas Jefferson Christian

[ghoulslime]

Francis wrote

What a convoluted use of language, and yet revealing. You write the "simple nobility of conceding". Telling people that surrendering their principles to you is noble? What pretentious nonsense! You fool no one. Further, you are so blinded by the imaginary self evidence of your own beliefs, you interpret disagreement as "attack". No one is attacking you. If they were, you would know because you would see fire and blood and you would hear bones crack.
All you see are arguments digitally entered on a digital display. Seeing that as an attack is nothing but a pile of artificial drama. The last person in my life who had to manufacture drama was a female I knew. We had one date and I was out of there.

Jefferson believed in "the independent search for truth" . It's what he thought was the major social advantage of freedom of religion. Whatever Jefferson said, I have no need to get on any high horse and declare myself the last word in morality. I may disagree with flesh or blood symbolism, but I am not going to presume to tell anyone that their beliefs are superstitions. I am going to speak for one person - me.

I am certainly never going to see philosophical surrender to foul mouthed posers as noble.

Seek professional assistance for your mental issues, Francis! You are obviously a very sick person.

[ghoulslime]

Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.

~Thomas Jefferson

And Franny, you ain't it!

[Francis]

It is a symptom of the disease of the irrationally certain. Constantly attributing dishonesty, insanity, and/or other afflictions, when all those people ever did was oppose an opinion.

Clearly, if this were the time of Jesus, and these atheists were the Romans, His simple message of Love thy Neighbor would have been seen as the dishonest act of an insane man, justifying all manner of atrocities against Jesus and against his followers.

It is apparent that these atheists cannot abide other opinions. They appear opposed to free expression. They should note their intense intolerance of speech and press freedom.

The late Mr. Hitchens would criticize their conduct. They should reconsider.

[Smellyoldgit]

Francis, do you believe Jesus was the miraculously conceived 'son of god'?

[ghoulslime]

Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.

~Thomas Jefferson

[ghoulslime]

Francis wrote

Clearly, if this were the time of Jesus, and these atheists were the Romans, His simple message of Love thy Neighbor would have been seen as the dishonest act of an insane man, justifying all manner of atrocities against Jesus and against his followers.

Straw man fallacy! Dishonesty! Dishonesty! Dishonesty!

Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.

~Thomas Jefferson

[ghoulslime]

Smellyoldgit wrote

Francis, do you believe Jesus was the miraculously conceived 'son of god'?

Jesus! Do you believe Francis was the accidentally-conceived son of a retarded lady?

[Francis]

Smellyoldgit wrote

Francis, do you believe Jesus was the miraculously conceived 'son of god'?

Dear Creepy-Weird-Old Stinker,

You are apparently referring to the conception without sperm story.

I wasn't there so cannot state for sure, however, based upon the usual way babies are conceived, I doubt it.

[Francis]

ghoulslime wrote

Jesus! Do you believe Francis was the accidentally-conceived son of a retarded lady?

What you are actually upset about is that who exactly appears retarded is clear to any outside reader of these posts.

[Smellyoldgit]

Francis wrote

I wasn't there so cannot state for sure, however, based upon the usual way babies are conceived, I doubt it.

Oh, the highly amusing Ken Ham phallusy! I'll take that as a no.

Now, what about the saving from sin malarky?

If it makes you feel better, me & thee are in agreement so far!

[Michael]

Francis wrote

It is a symptom of the disease of the irrationally certain. Constantly attributing dishonesty, insanity, and/or other afflictions, when all those people ever did was oppose an opinion.

Oh. So when you said this to me:

Francis wrote

I am not falling for your wholly dishonest ruse.

Where you accused me of being dishonest because I opposed your opinion, was this an example of your being 'irrationally certain', or is this more a case of "it's only wrong when it's someone else doing it" hypocrasy?

[Francis]

Smellyoldgit wrote

Oh, the highly amusing Ken Ham phallusy! I'll take that as a no.

Now, what about the saving from sin malarky?

If it makes you feel better, me & thee are in agreement so far!

That we agree on anything is cause for deep reevaluation of my core principles.

Re saving from sin: Mostly an agnostic position. I can see people straining to make sense of Jesus' execution and coming up with the saving from sin story.

Since it involves issues and intentions beyond this world, I can't say for sure. It makes little sense to me, but I am not going to presume anything about God's ways

[Francis]

Michael wrote

Oh. So when you said this to me:



Where you accused me of being dishonest because I opposed your opinion, was this an example of your being 'irrationally certain', or is this more a case of "it's only wrong when it's someone else doing it" hypocrasy?

Not why I stated you were dishonest.

[Kinich Ahau]

Francis, was Jesus a three in one shape shifter or did he only become one after Nicea?

[Kinich Ahau]

If Jefferson completely discarded the OT that means you also have to discard the notion of original sin, right?