What, exactly, is a supernatural?

[dogpet]

Victus wrote

What about individual humans; if a human is perfectly pious, does that mean that they won't be punished by God, even as those all around them were?

We are all sinners. It would be vain to imagine we could worm our way into god*'s affections.

[ghoulslime]

Sternwallow wrote

Partial answer, though He made the first people perfect, He did not make them good enough to be perfectly pious or perfectly obedient. He stacked the deck.

Then he got pissed off later that he had fucked up on his meat puppet creations, and drowned most of them in an act of maniacal rage. Cowpat's perfect god drowned most of humanity, because he couldn't get them to listen to his orders. What sort of fucked up projection is that for an omnipotent god? And the asshole couldn't see past his red eyes far enough to keep from wiping out babies and children. (Of course he saved a few seeds in Noah's happy boat in order to plant more monkey pets for himself later.)

This is the perfect being that Cowpat wants us to believe in?

[Victus]

Sternwallow wrote

He stacked the deck.

Sure, but that answer isn't available if you're a theist.

[colpat]

Greetings;

Did you ever see God naked? If your dad's opinions were perfect, by definition, how could you not share them?

No I have never seen God naked. God's opinions are more than opinion they are truth. The original question "does God share my opinion." I can't answer for him. Perhaps you might ask him?

[colpat]

Greetings;
ghoulslime wrote:

This is the perfect being that Cowpat wants us to believe in?

That in no way describes the God I serve. It is up to you decide if you want to believe in any god. That's not my concern.

[colpat]

Greetings:
Victus wrote:

Punishment is a form of behaviour modification. You punish behaviours you want less of. If humans as a group all followed the correct iteration of God to the letter, would there no longer be natural disasters?

It is impossible to follow the correct iteration of God to the letter. Even if it were possible, it would not pay the penalty of natural disasters. God knew/knows that and sent his son to die as a substituteto pay the penalty for Adam's disobedience (sin/wrong choice).

What about individual sub-groups of humans; if they were perfectly pious, would God spare them? What about individual humans; if a human is perfectly pious, does that mean that they won't be punished by God, even as those all around them were

You are correct, if an individual human will accept Jesus paying our penalty by his death, they are spared death, the individual punishment. Rather the gift of God is eternal life. But we will still have natural disaster because the penalty for Adams choice is still in effect. After accepting a human doesn't have to be perfectly pious at all, just forgiven.

[Kate]

colpat wrote

Greetings;
ghoulslime wrote: That in no way describes the God I serve. It is up to you decide if you want to believe in any god. That's not my concern.

Liar.

You can fuck off now.

[Whisper]

Well, this is just getting boring now. He's nothing but evidence-free assertions.

Colpat: There's no proof that your particular god even exists in the first place, so everything after that is moot.

[Victus]

colpat wrote

It is impossible to follow the correct iteration of God to the letter.

The implication of the being that humans are being punished for behaviours/beliefs that are beyond their control. Since the goal of punishment is to modify behaviour, we are left with two conclusions that are consistent with theism: 1) God is irrational or 2) God enjoys human suffering.

Or there's always door number three: there is no God.

colpat wrote

Even if it were possible, it would not pay the penalty of natural disasters.

Then natural disasters are a punishment out of proportion to the 'crime', see option 2 above.

colpat wrote

God knew/knows that and sent his son to die as a substituteto pay the penalty for Adam's disobedience (sin/wrong choice).

Why does one person dying absolve the crimes of another person, after they have been chucked off on the whole species. God must have a very arbitrary sense of justice.

Or he doesn't exist.

colpat wrote

You are correct, if an individual human will accept Jesus paying our penalty by his death, they are spared death, the individual punishment.

That's a testable prediction. Under similarly fatal conditions, are Christians less likely to die than non-Christians? Do you have any evidence on this?

[colpat]

Greetings;
Thanks - ghoulslime for giving me a second chance by reposting.

Do you believe that humans evolved from more primitive life forms over the course of millions of years? (Let me know if my question is not clear.)

No I do not beleive humans evolved from primitive life 4 million or even 4 billion years ago.

Did god make Adam and Eve from the dust a few thousand years ago?[/

Yes. Are you interested in my theory of how he did it?

[colpat]

Whisper wrote

Well, this is just getting boring now. He's nothing but evidence-free assertions.

Colpat: There's no proof that your particular god even exists in the first place, so everything after that is moot.

Greetings Whisper;
What would you accept as proof of God?

[ghoulslime]

colpat wrote

Greetings;
ghoulslime wrote: That in no way describes the God I serve. It is up to you decide if you want to believe in any god. That's not my concern.

That describes EXACTLY the imaginary god that you believe in. Either you are ignorant of your own Babble or you are a liar, or both.

[ghoulslime]

colpat wrote

Greetings:
Victus wrote:It is impossible to follow the correct iteration of God to the letter. Even if it were possible, it would not pay the penalty of natural disasters. God knew/knows that and sent his son to die as a substituteto pay the penalty for Adam's disobedience (sin/wrong choice).
You are correct, if an individual human will accept Jesus paying our penalty by his death, they are spared death, the individual punishment. Rather the gift of God is eternal life. But we will still have natural disaster because the penalty for Adams choice is still in effect. After accepting a human doesn't have to be perfectly pious at all, just forgiven.

There was no Adam or Jesus. They are fictional characters in a Bronze Age book of nonsense, you crazy old man!

[colpat]

Greetings Victus;

The implication of the being that humans are being punished for behaviours/beliefs that are beyond their control. Since the goal of punishment is to modify behaviour, we are left with two conclusions that are consistent with theism: 1) God is irrational or 2) God enjoys human suffering.

God made the rules. Man disobeyed those rules. God judged Adam guilty and imposed the penalty of death (separation from God). The purpose was not to modify behavior it was to enforce God's law. God is not irrational nor does God enjoy human suffering. If he was or did he would not have made a way, the only way to regain eternal life.
To think otherwise is to believe the creature is wiser than the creator.

[ghoulslime]

colpat wrote

Greetings Whisper;
What would you accept as proof of God?

Obviously, more than a delusional hillbilly from Oklahoma pounding on his Bible...