Five Videos That Disprove Christianity Historically

davros of skaro · 06-07-2014, 08:53 AM

*Five videos by historians and archeologists that casts doubt on the historicity of the Bible.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mwUZOZN-9dc

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MclBbZUFSag

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B5MUUP4l6l4

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MzrIHdN9O7M

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M9XK3DcQe9s

Jesus 6 BCE-33? CE
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There's no contemporary sources for Jesus during his supposed lifetime.

Pauline Epistles 51-58 CE*

Only 7 out of 13 letters of Paul are considered nonpseudographical.Paul is not a witness to a living Jesus, but through revelation.

Rome Sacking of Judea 70 CE*

The Gospels are labeled by Church tradition, but are from unknown Greek educated writers.They make the same translation mistakes found in the Greek version of the Old Testament called the Septuagint.

Mark 65-70? CE*

Matthew 75-80? CE*

Luke 75-90? CE

John 85-125? CE

The Gospels are Euhemerization to control doctrine.

http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/euhemerization

Here is an example of prophecy being filled using the Greek Old Testament translation.

Mark, *and Luke has Jesus on a Colt (young Horse).

John has Jesus on a young Donkey.

Matthew which is the 2nd Gospel written has Jesus on a Donkey, and a Colt at the same time (which is comical).

Zechariah 9:9 (Greek Septuagint translation)

*lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Zechariah 9:9 (original Hebrew)

*lowly, and riding on a Donkey, even a colt the, foal of an Donkey.

The Hebrew version is being poetic.

The Greek translation has the mistake of switching out "even" for "and".

Matthew 21:7

7 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.

The author of Matthew used the Septuagint's mistaken translation to fulfill prophecy.

The only mention of Jesus outside the New Testament in the 1st century is by the historian Josephus. Josephus mentions Jesus twice, but they have red flags of forgery.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/testimonium.html

Josephus in Testimonium Flavianum Antiquities of the Jews 93-94 CE mentions Jesus,and as the Christ.The wording of the passage makes Josephus a pious Jew sound like a Christian, and does not fit his style of writing,suggesting a later forged adaptation.First qouted by Eusebius (315 CE),but not mentioned by earlier apologists Justin Martyr,Clement of Alexandria,Tertullian,and *Origen (140-230 CE).The passage conflicts with Josephus's own belief that Vespasian is the Messiah (Title).

The James passage in Josephus's antiquities 20.9 "The brother of Jesus,who was called Christ,whose name was James".This is interpolation using Matthew 1:16 "Who is called Christ".In 20.9.4 of antiquities Josephus writes "James is brother of Jesus Bar Damneus".
Earl Doherty (Author of 'The Jesus Puzzle')"A good case can be made for saying that Josephus wrote nothing about Jesus and was probably unaware of any such figure."Apologist
*Origen mentions this passage,but not the other.

John Remsburg,in his 1909 book 'The Christ',stated:"To identify the James of Josephus with James the Just,the brother of Jesus, is to reject the accepted history of the primitive church which declares that James the Just died in 69 CE, 7 years after the James of Josephus was condemned to death by the Sanhedrin."

Josephus continues:
"... Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest."

Josephus tells us precisely who James is the brother of – Jesus bar Damneus!

Here are other nonBiblical references used by Apologists to cite Jesus's *historicity.

Tacitus in 116 CE mentions Christus (title),and Christians (cult).This is evidence of Christians,not evidence of Jesus the Christ.Search "Tacitus forgery"

Pliny the Younger in 110 CE mentions that "Christians were singing a hymn to Christ as to a god".There were several people claiming to be a Messiah/Christ back in those times.

Suetonius in 121 CE mentions Chrestus (personal name),and Christians,and he maybe repeating what others have told him about this cult,or cults.

Lucian of Samosata(circa 125 - 180 CE)A second-century satirist named Lucian wrote that the basis for the Christian sect was a “man who was crucified in Palestine,”but this is merely repeating what Christians believed in the second century.Lucian does not mention Jesus by name.This reference is too late to be considered more direct historical evidence.

No work of Thallus survives.Here is a quote about him from Richard Carrier:"We know next to nothing about Thallus or his works.We don't even know if he wrote only one book or several.The only information we have about him,even his name,comes entirely from Christian apologetic sources beginning in the late 2nd century,and that information is plagued with problems."

Bart Ehrman,Did Jesus Exist?:"The Talmud is a collection of disparate materials from early Judaism.Most of the material relates to the early rabbis.The collection was put together long after the days of Jesus."

According to Michael Paulkovich (No Meek Messiah,2012,pp.199-200) there were up to 146
historians/writers (Silent Writers) during,or shortly after the supposed time of Jesus that did not mention him.

42 contemporary writers silent about Jesus while other wanna be Messiahs get mentioned.

http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/jesus5.htm

Mara Bar-Serapion(circa 73 CE-?)Fragment of a personal letter from a Syrian named Mara Bar-Serapion to his son in prison that mentions that the Jews of that time had killed their “wise king.”The NT claims that the Romans,not the Jews,killed Jesus.The Jews had killed other leaders;for example,the Essene Teacher of Righteousness.If this truly is a report of a historical event rather than the passing on of folklore,it could have been a reference to someone else.

Celsus:A late 2nd century Greek philosopher was an opponent of Early Christianity.He is known for his literary work "The True Word" (C.177 CE) which survives exclusively in early Church apologist Origen's (184-254 CE) quotations from it in "Contra Celsum".This is too late to be evidence of Jesus Christ.

Was Jesus just a celestial deity in gnosticism from the belief of hidden messages in the Old Testament?

http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gnosticism

This deity was called the "Logos" by Philo.This revelation derived from the OT had many monickers like "The First Born of God", *"The Image of God", and "The Shadow of God" to name a few.

See "Logos", and "Pneumatology"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo's_view_of_God

Here is a remnent of a Gnostic Jesus in the Epistles.

1 Corinthians 2:6-8

6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

*Who are the "rulers of this age"?

Why would the "rulers of this age" not crucify Christ if they knew it would give Man the chance to have eternal life in Heaven?

The Romans if they knew would not object for a chance at eternal life.

The "rulers of this age" were Demons of Gnostic belief.

There were many preChristian saviour deities that went through a passion to have victory over death.

Here is one of the earliest.

The ancient Sumerian Goddess Inanna traveled to the Underworld.She was cursed into being a corpse then hung on a hook.After 3days/nights she was resurrected by life giving water and plants.

Here are the verse numbers, and translation (link) of the epic poem that predate Christ by at least 2,000 years.

164-172*

173-175

246-253

273-281

http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section1/tr141.htm

* Why do people believe?

Our Brains are evolved for learning, and we seek patterns in the enviroment.We have built in reward centers that are purposed for survival.These reward centers can be tricked to either cause false beliefs, and, or detrimental abuses.

For an example

Davin · 06-09-2014, 12:13 PM

That's going to take me a bit of time to get through.

davros of skaro · 06-10-2014, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Davin wrote

That's going to take me a bit of time to get through.

The first four vids is the main point, and I have watched/listened to them multiple time (awesome info).

I encounter many Atheists saying Jesus was a wandering preacher.The thing is when you look deep into the evidence.Being Agnostic on historicity is a valid position, which crank information takes away from.

If you find the first four lectures informative?Please pass them on to other like minds...Thanks.

Sinfidel · 06-10-2014, 05:35 AM

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Davin wrote

That's going to take me a bit of time to get through.

Why bother - such a waste of time! A simple synopsis of it all should be enough to make any thinking person laugh it all off.
Old, invisible white haired geezer sits on a throne in the sky, recording all the bad stuff you do on a scroll, using a quill pen, so that when you die He can confront you with this, and sentence you to burn in agony for eternity, because He loves you.
Throw in the talking snakes and donkeys, walking on water, a dead guy getting up after three days and beaming up to heaven, iron axe heads floating in water, feeding thousands from a loaf of bread and a can of sardines,.....well, you get the picture, you have to be incredibly stupid and gullible to actually believe the fairy tale.
No wonder the morons have to attend every Sabbath to have this BS re-instilled in their little brains. And these folks get to vote who is going to govern you - scary, isn't it!

davros of skaro · 06-10-2014, 07:49 PM

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Sinfidel wrote

Why bother - such a waste of time! A simple synopsis of it all should be enough to make any thinking person laugh it all off.
Old, invisible white haired geezer sits on a throne in the sky, recording all the bad stuff you do on a scroll, using a quill pen, so that when you die He can confront you with this, and sentence you to burn in agony for eternity, because He loves you.
Throw in the talking snakes and donkeys, walking on water, a dead guy getting up after three days and beaming up to heaven, iron axe heads floating in water, feeding thousands from a loaf of bread and a can of sardines,.....well, you get the picture, you have to be incredibly stupid and gullible to actually believe the fairy tale.
No wonder the morons have to attend every Sabbath to have this BS re-instilled in their little brains. And these folks get to vote who is going to govern you - scary, isn't it!

Yes simple logic is all it took for me to dismiss Jesus Theology when I was 8 years old.

I was lucky to be not indoctrinated into the Magic Blood cult by being born into it.

It's my belief that the more Atheists get educated on the valid reasons for being Agnostic on Jesus's historicity, the better as a whole we are to halt the spread of infection.

Saying stuff like "He was just a Man, but not a magic Man" only enables continued faith.By being knowledgeable on why this Man may have not existed at all goes a long way.Just because you, me, and the next guy can see the stupidity, it does not help the new life being brought up in this crap.

The 1st four vids are a wealth of information for anyone willing to take the time for it.Religious beliefs are a detriment for the progress of Mankind.

SkyDaddy remarks are easy, logic debates are a dime a dozen, digging into history and shoveling the shit of false information away takes some work.

davros of skaro · 06-10-2014, 07:51 PM

See video @ 108:00 mark for deeper scrutiny of the Tacitus passage.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HMyudP5z2Xw