This youtube video will make you think... - Page 8

Qlidnaque · 02-07-2011, 08:09 AM

I think the topic title should be changed to "Evidence that humans are susceptible to hallucainations"

anthonyjfuchs · 02-07-2011, 09:23 AM

I might be interested in the testimony of a devout life-long Christian who had a near-death experience in which he found himself in Yomi, and subsequently converted to Shinto because of it.

Until then, it's just a bunch of people having dreams that just happen to conform to the majority religion of the culture in which they were raised. That's about as convincing as the fact that all the people in my dreams speak English.

West491 · 02-07-2011, 09:34 AM

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psyadam wrote

I give atheism vs Christianity a 50/50 chance

You're wrong, this is not 50/50. To steal a quote from Matt Dillahunty, "according to your own logic, there is a 50/50 chance that you will win the jackpot lottery, either you win or you lose."

tread softly · 02-08-2011, 04:42 AM

zdave · 02-24-2011, 12:31 AM

If people seeing hallucinations as they're nearing death supports the existence of heaven and/or hell, then let me ask you:

If someone told you they had a near-death experience and saw absolutely nothing at all, would that support the lack of existence of heaven and/or hell?

Sartre1 · 02-24-2011, 05:52 AM

Somehow your post got directed as a reply to something I said. I think there's been a mistake. I don't believe in an afterlife and I don't think I commented on these "near death experiences". I will add though, that about 25 years ago I found myself in the back of an ambulance with one of the attendants saying about me, " We've lost his pulse. We're losing him." I remember thinking to myself, "Well, apparently I'm dead." No visions, no angels, no lights, just a bemused sense of inevitability. Take care.

Simoon · 02-24-2011, 01:13 PM

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" We've lost his pulse. We're losing him." I remember thinking to myself, "Well, apparently I'm dead." No visions, no angels, no lights, just a bemused sense of inevitability. Take care.

But you weren't dead. You had no pulse.

If you were truly dead, you would not be able to think to yourself...anything at all.

Sartre1 · 02-24-2011, 04:36 PM

Exactly. The same argument would be made to those who "saw the light" and other nonsenses. If you were conscious of anything, then you weren't dead. That was my point.

Qlidnaque · 03-06-2011, 02:03 AM

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Sartre1 wrote

Somehow your post got directed as a reply to something I said. I think there's been a mistake. I don't believe in an afterlife and I don't think I commented on these "near death experiences". I will add though, that about 25 years ago I found myself in the back of an ambulance with one of the attendants saying about me, " We've lost his pulse. We're losing him." I remember thinking to myself, "Well, apparently I'm dead." No visions, no angels, no lights, just a bemused sense of inevitability. Take care.

ya, having no pulse doesn't mean a person is dead. If we take a look at cryogenics technology currently in development, we talk about things like what's legally dead today may not be actually legally dead in the future. And plus, as far as pulses go, entertainers regularly do tricks where they genuinely stop their pulses and revive themselves afterwards. Derren Brown did it in one of his filmed stage shows and one of the Israeli mentalists did in in the US tv show Phenomenon.

psyadam · 03-01-2012, 09:02 PM

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zdave wrote

If people seeing hallucinations as they're nearing death supports the existence of heaven and/or hell, then let me ask you:

If someone told you they had a near-death experience and saw absolutely nothing at all, would that support the lack of existence of heaven and/or hell?

As I said before I am not one of those crazy religionists. I think the concepts of heaven and hell are very problematic--something more like the three worlds in the Mormonistic theology makes more sense to me--you go to be with people that are similar to how good or evil you were in this life.

Sol · 03-02-2012, 03:32 AM

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psyadam wrote

you go to be with people that are similar to how good or evil you were in this life.

Out of idle curiosity, What decides how "good or evil" you are.

Is there a special committee set up to decide. ?
Is there a panel of experts who judge. ?
Is there a questionnaire to fill out. ?
A multi-choice test perhaps.

Can I get a witness ?

Kinich Ahau · 03-02-2012, 04:29 AM

No not crazy, you just accept descriptions that sound nice and reasonable to you. What do you call this religion where you cherry pick the bits you like?

Professor Chaos · 03-02-2012, 06:34 AM

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Kinich Ahau wrote

No not crazy, you just...

reply to a year-old post as if it were new, and the most natural thing in the world to do.

psyadam · 03-02-2012, 10:09 AM

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Sol wrote

Out of idle curiosity, What decides how "good or evil" you are.

Is there a special committee set up to decide. ?
Is there a panel of experts who judge. ?
Is there a questionnaire to fill out. ?
A multi-choice test perhaps.

Can I get a witness ?

not sure. Perhaps you could call the thing that decides "God"?

Irreligious · 03-02-2012, 10:17 AM

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psyadam wrote

not sure. Perhaps you could call the thing that decides "God"?

Why should Sol call it that? He's an atheist. Besides, it's your proposition.

Are you calling this alleged ultimate arbiter God?