Miss Me? I'm Disappointed Though

[Francis]

Well yes, I am back - for how long I don't know, because life intervenes. I thought I shouldn't return unless and until I had some new and troubling arguments for whatever crop of atheists I might encounter. But I am disappointed that there are so many of the same people here, who haven't abandoned profanity or knee-jerk ridicule.

Ah, well anyway, probably many have heard the relatively recent from Stephen Hawking and others about nothing and something. He has actually taken the position that "Something can come from nothing" and that it is quite possible (according to SH) that the universe came from nothing. Now of course there never has been scientific evidence of something coming from nothing. Back in ancient times, when maggots appeared on dead flesh, there was an idea called "spontaneous generation", but that idea of course was disproved conclusively.

One is called to suggest that the "nothing" which SH postulates as the progenitor to the universe, was actually a something, leaving everything as it was before Hawking's pronouncement. Who or what created the progenitor state?

One is moved to remind atheists of one of their favorite challenges - The one with the fantastical belief has the burden of proof. Ok then atheists, show scientific evidence of something coming from nothing. At least, if you can't show examples of something coming from nothing, show the mathematical basis for the universe coming from nothing.

Oh, and Merry Christmas

[dogpet]

N0-one will believe this, but while reading some of Drewl's drivel I actually had a thought about the annoying asshat Francis, & remembered how sorry I felt for all the sperm encrusted trees.

[Francis]

Yes that is certainly a persuasive debate point. One wonders why the esteemed Mr. Hawking never addressed it. Perhaps he feels he would lose credibility by aligning himself with it. Please elaborate on how your statement does not evade the question.

[dogpet]

Maybe you should take that up with professor Hawking? He's the fucking cosmologist you boring cunt!
Tell us what you've heard so far about something from nothing. What have you read about it, & by whom?

[Francis]

No. I am not about to state "what (I) heard". I have made straightforward points and asked straightforward questions. Either you cannot answer anything, or you disagree with Mr. Hawking. If you disagree with him, that necessarily opens the door to intentional creation. If you cannot show the examples or at least the underlying math, likewise.

[ghoulslime]

Francis wrote

Well yes, I am back - for how long I don't know, because life intervenes. I thought I shouldn't return unless and until I had some new and troubling arguments for whatever crop of atheists I might encounter. But I am disappointed that there are so many of the same people here, who haven't abandoned profanity or knee-jerk ridicule.

Ah, well anyway, probably many have heard the relatively recent from Stephen Hawking and others about nothing and something. He has actually taken the position that "Something can come from nothing" and that it is quite possible (according to SH) that the universe came from nothing. Now of course there never has been scientific evidence of something coming from nothing. Back in ancient times, when maggots appeared on dead flesh, there was an idea called "spontaneous generation", but that idea of course was disproved conclusively.

One is called to suggest that the "nothing" which SH postulates as the progenitor to the universe, was actually a something, leaving everything as it was before Hawking's pronouncement. Who or what created the progenitor state?

One is moved to remind atheists of one of their favorite challenges - The one with the fantastical belief has the burden of proof. Ok then atheists, show scientific evidence of something coming from nothing. At least, if you can't show examples of something coming from nothing, show the mathematical basis for the universe coming from nothing.

Oh, and Merry Christmas

Hi Francis, welcome back! It appears that you have yet to abandon your dogmatic ideologies, and embrace reality. It comes as no surprise.

Firstly, perhaps someone should point out the difference between an astrophysicist advancing a very bold hypothesis on the early development of our universe and an atheist who simply rejects the baseless conjecture of theists - or need we really point this out, if not for the dishonest premise you are making from the peanut gallery?

What a stunning genius you are to point out the commonly-held notion that something cannot come from nothing. Why would you ask us to explain Steven Hawking's hypothesis to you? Why not read it for yourself, and judge it by the merits of his argument.

Your only truthful point in this deceitful discourse is pointing out the fact that when one makes a positive assertion, one must bear the burden of providing evidence for the assertion. Presumably Hawkings understood this well before advancing this bold hypothesis on quantum physics.

Merry Christmas!

[ghoulslime]

Francis wrote

Either you cannot answer anything, or you disagree with Mr. Hawking.

That is a false dichotomy. There is a great possibility that many here already know what a demonstrated fool and liar you are, and simply choose to take the short cut to dismissing your rubbish.

[Michael]

Francis wrote

Well yes, I am back - for how long I don't know, because life intervenes. I thought I shouldn't return unless and until I had some new and troubling arguments for whatever crop of atheists I might encounter. But I am disappointed that there are so many of the same people here, who haven't abandoned profanity or knee-jerk ridicule.

Ah, well anyway, probably many have heard the relatively recent from Stephen Hawking and others about nothing and something. He has actually taken the position that "Something can come from nothing" and that it is quite possible (according to SH) that the universe came from nothing. Now of course there never has been scientific evidence of something coming from nothing. Back in ancient times, when maggots appeared on dead flesh, there was an idea called "spontaneous generation", but that idea of course was disproved conclusively.

One is called to suggest that the "nothing" which SH postulates as the progenitor to the universe, was actually a something, leaving everything as it was before Hawking's pronouncement. Who or what created the progenitor state?

So your argument is "SH said something can come from nothing. I don't get how that works. Therefore the nothing must have actually been something, because people once thought maggots spontaneously grew from dead flesh".

Is that about the gist of it?

One is moved to remind atheists of one of their favorite challenges - The one with the fantastical belief has the burden of proof. Ok then atheists, show scientific evidence of something coming from nothing. At least, if you can't show examples of something coming from nothing, show the mathematical basis for the universe coming from nothing.

I'm pretty sure your last argument is entirely from nothing.

Does that count?

Oh, and Merry Christmas

A bit too early for that, isn't it? Christmas is still 3 weeks off.

[Sinfidel]

Francis wrote

One is moved to remind atheists of one of their favorite challenges - The one with the fantastical belief has the burden of proof. Ok then atheists, show scientific evidence of something coming from nothing. At least, if you can't show examples of something coming from nothing, show the mathematical basis for the universe coming from nothing.

Oh, and Merry Christmas

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[Sinfidel]

I wonder if the dumbass knows what "ex nihilo" means.......

[Sinfidel]

Francis wrote

One is moved to remind atheists of one of their favorite challenges - The one with the fantastical belief has the burden of proof. Ok then atheists, show scientific evidence of something coming from nothing. At least, if you can't show examples of something coming from nothing, show the mathematical basis for the universe coming from nothing.

Oh, and Merry Christmas

You theologues are quick to denounce science when it advances "something from nothing", yet theologues promote the same idea as gleaned from their bronze age goat herder authored holy writs.

http://www.reasons.org/articles/creation-ex-nihilo

Historic Christianity has always maintained a belief in Creation ex nihilo (CEN) as expressed in the ancient Nicene Creed: "We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible."

Care to explain the cognitive dissonance?

[Davin]

Francis wrote

[...]Ah, well anyway, probably many have heard the relatively recent from Stephen Hawking and others about nothing and something.[...]

Old. Can't wait until Francis catches wind of the Higgs Boson in ten years.

[ghoulslime]

Michael wrote

A bit too early for that, isn't it? Christmas is still 3 weeks off.

I think he really thought he would get under our skin by wishing us a merry Christmas. I've had my Christmas lights up since the day before Thanksgiving. And I'll wager I have a hell of a lot more Christmas cheer at my house than he has at his.

[Kinich Ahau]

It might be time to fire up the Christmas thread again..

[Smellyoldgit]

Bah, humbug - snotballs & wank-stains.
Do I win the miserable bastard forum award for semen, snot and thinking Francis is still a complete cunt?