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Old 07-30-2008, 09:00 AM   #751
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You will be hard pressed to find examples of "repeated" assertions that I have shrugged off my outrage. I very rarely post at other forums and I am quite sure I have not made that particular statement anywhere else. I am highly sceptical that I have made it here. But who knows? Who cares?
Lily, you said the same thing at Myers' site. Perhaps you didn't use the word "shrug," but you did make the same exact point. You're right, though: who cares?
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:02 AM   #752
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Lily wrote:

"What I think is funniest of all, is that Myers and his goons are the same people who wail pitifully about atheist persecution and how horrid that atheists are the least trusted group in America. Well, duh!! And this stunt is going to go a long way towards ameliorating that.
And just what higher heights of lunacy have we reached, I wonder? Free speech does not entail freedom from criticism-- even over the top criticism. I think he needs to take it like a man and shut up."

Well he is simply speaking the TRUTH, backed up with EVIDENCE, Christ-psychosis infected fools like you despise so much. I know the TRUTH HURTS a christianity infected brain. Remember he is mentally healthy aka atheist & KNOWS this is the 21st Century not the 12th as the retards, aka Christians, believe it is.

Christians and other folks infected with delusional beliefs think and reason like schizophrenics or temporal lobe epileptics. Their morality is dictated by an invisible friend called Jesus.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:09 AM   #753
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"a failed academic in the middle of nowhere at a third tier institution"

I know that you get some of your more idiotic cues from Mark Shea (!), who also thinks it's an insult of some kind to belittle Myers' title and university. Can you explain how this is an insult (if it is one)? I doubt Myers is anything but delighted with his work; why wouldn't he be? Sounds to me like certain people are feeling a wee bit insecure about their own stations in life.

If I remember correctly, PZ Myers is tenured, while Lily is not (at her advanced age, no less).
I don't think Lily ever mentioned what school she teaches at, but how many top-tier schools are there in Alabama?

Insecurity, indeed.

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Old 07-30-2008, 09:16 AM   #754
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Back here she was also shrugging off outrage (or anyway, pee pee) and saying unkind things about Minnesota.

I still love her though.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:17 AM   #755
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but how many top-tier schools are there in Alabama?

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Old 07-30-2008, 09:40 AM   #756
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"a failed academic in the middle of nowhere at a third tier institution"

I know that you get some of your more idiotic cues from Mark Shea (!), who also thinks it's an insult of some kind to belittle Myers' title and university. Can you explain how this is an insult (if it is one)? I doubt Myers is anything but delighted with his work; why wouldn't he be? Sounds to me like certain people are feeling a wee bit insecure about their own stations in life.
Morris has no graduate programs. Top academics, particularly in the sciences, don't remain at institutions that don't have graduate and research programs. He should long since have made full professor but you can't do that without a serious record of publication. He doesn't have one. According to the Science Citation Index (the largest and most comprehensive of all), he has published exactly 2 articles since 1998-- 1 in 1998 that has been cited 4 times in others' research and one in 2001 that has never been cited. It is a miracle that he got tenure at all with that record. How he got promoted to Assoc. Prof. eludes me entirely.

I don't fault the man if he just wants to teach and have a hate blog, even thought that last doesn't appeal to me. But he needs to be a lot less intellectually arrogant with that skimpy record.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:44 AM   #757
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If I remember correctly, PZ Myers is tenured, while Lily is not (at her advanced age, no less).
Guess again.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:45 AM   #758
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IF what you say is true (I haven't checked, but I will) then I agree that that is a pretty lame record. I know of several researchers who ended up getting stuck in undergrad colleges and still manage to get a paper or two a year from their undergrad labs.

Just out of interest Lily, how many articles have you published in the last five years?

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Old 07-30-2008, 09:48 AM   #759
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Myers has REAMS of stuff published before 1998. (What, that doesn't count?) He probably got his tenure around then.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:48 AM   #760
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IF what you say is true (I haven't checked, but I will) then I agree that that is a pretty lame record. I know of several researchers who ended up getting stuck in undergrad colleges and still manage to get a paper or two a year from their undergrad labs.

Just out of interest Lily, how many articles have you published in the last five years?
More than he has!

I searched on Myers P and Myers PZ. If you can turn up more than I did, I definitely want to hear about it-- my search technique will need tuning up.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:53 AM   #761
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And just what higher heights of lunacy have we reached, I wonder? Free speech does not entail freedom from criticism-- even over the top criticism. I think he needs to take it like a man and shut up.
i think the cathilick church needs to take it like a man and shut up.

why do you think free speech does not apply to atheists, moocow? we can't make fun of cathilicks but cathilicks can make fun of atheists?

you are truly a bigot. a moogot.

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Old 07-30-2008, 09:53 AM   #762
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Myers has REAMS of stuff published before 1998. (What, that doesn't count?) He probably got his tenure around then.
That might be true (how do you know?) since the online database only goes back to 1998. But it still is too skimpy a record with which to make full professor and it is a disgraceful lack of performance that would get him kicked out of my institution which has post tenure review. Of course, maybe if his feet were held to the fire, he would do more scholarly work and less hate blogging.
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i think the cathilick church needs to take it like a man and shut up.

why do you think free speech does not apply to atheists, moocow? we can't make fun of cathilicks but cathilicks can make fun of atheists?

you are truly a bigot. a moogot.
Eva, do you simply not know how to read or are your language skills lacking? (Don't they offer ESL classes where you live? ESL=English as a Second Languge) How did anything I wrote suggest that free speech doesn't apply to atheists?
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Old 07-30-2008, 10:01 AM   #764
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Edited to add: Yep. A search on shrug off, shrugging off only turns up your silly post. Lay off the mushrooms, Studge.
I'd rather be tripping than unable to read simple English: 'Perhaps you didn't use the word "shrug," but you did make the same exact point.' (Posted before your edit.)

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That might be true (how do you know?)
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since the online database only goes back to 1998. But it still is too skimpy a record with which to make full professor
How would you know how skimpy it is if you haven't seen pre-1998 publications?

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and it is a disgraceful lack of performance that would get him kicked out of my institution which has post tenure review. Of course, maybe if his feet were held to the fire, he would do more scholarly work and less hate blogging.
Holding feet to an open flame is you Catholix' answer to everything.
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Old 07-30-2008, 10:06 AM   #765
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the online database only goes back to 1998. .
What kind of useless database is that? Try here if you have access

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