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Old 07-11-2008, 09:52 AM   #31
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Do they have special ones for vegetarians, that are just the toe cheese of Christ?
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:58 AM   #32
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Now I'm thinking about it, this really is the prime example of how religious belief utterly rejects reality whenever it feels like it. Presumably Lily, and please correct me if I'm wrong, there is absolutely nothing anyone could say to you, nothing any possible experiment could show you about the actual physical reality of a consecrated cracker that would affect your belief that it is actually the flesh of Jesus. It could be split into it's constituent molecules and atoms and yet that wouldn't dent your belief one iota. I assume.
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:59 AM   #33
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For Broga and other curious: The wafer has no flavor at all. The wine is not esp. flavorful either, although one can recognize it as wine.
So are you now officially a Catholic? Congratulations!

Please post pic of your First Communion dress.
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:00 AM   #34
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Read Aristotle.
Why don't you just answer the question?
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:02 AM   #35
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So are you now officially a Catholic? Congratulations!

Please post pic of your First Communion dress.

oh yeah, the miniature wedding dress for pre-teen girls.

eeeewww!!!!
One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected....That they should have this immunity is an outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift them above other ideas. On the contrary, they are always dubious and often quite silly.
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Read Aristotle.
Precis Aristotle.
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:06 AM   #37
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Why don't you just answer the question?
Because you can't understand the answer. Read Aristotle. I'll make it easy for you. Read Metaphysics.
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:10 AM   #38
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Because you can't understand the answer. Read Aristotle. I'll make it easy for you. Read Metaphysics.
Metaphysics is about the nature of existence, how existence changes and how things continue to exist (am I right)? Applicable to this, yeah. Lily, can you see why people think it's stupid to be reacting like this, though?
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Because you can't understand the answer. Read Aristotle. I'll make it easy for you. Read Metaphysics.
Of course I can understand the answer. I asked you a simple question that you could answer with a 'yes' or a 'no', that's all I'm looking for. Is there anything anyone could say to you or show you regarding your cracker that would affect your belief that it is the body of Christ? I don't need to read Aristotle to understand a 'yes' or a 'no'.
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:13 AM   #40
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Because you can't understand the answer. Read Aristotle. I'll make it easy for you. Read Metaphysics.
Why not make it even easier? Explain what you understand of Aristotle's Metaphysics.

I presume you're alluding to the non-substantiality of matter?
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:14 AM   #41
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Yes, Crest. You got it. (The Stanford Encycl. of Phil entry on the Metaphysics is really good).

Yes, I can see why atheists are reacting as they are. The point is that their objections are foolish and don't change a thing. They don't need to understand. They need to see, once again, why minding their manners and not arousing the passions of others are a good thing. It doesn't matter how logical their point of view is. There are repercussions for folly.

We have, unfortunately, hate crimes legislation in this country which covers the kind of conduct that stupid college dolt engaged in. He could be criminally prosecuted. That for starters ...
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:21 AM   #44
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Of course I can understand the answer. I asked you a simple question that you could answer with a 'yes' or a 'no', that's all I'm looking for. Is there anything anyone could say to you or show you regarding your cracker that would affect your belief that it is the body of Christ? I don't need to read Aristotle to understand a 'yes' or a 'no'.
No, it is the body and blood of Christ. Yes it retains its properties as bread so chemistry will never detect anything other than what it would detect pre-consecration. Aristotle would help you understand. At least the terminology we use, species, properties, essence, etc.

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Old 07-11-2008, 10:24 AM   #45
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No, you don't get it. It is the body and blood of Christ. Your opinion means nothing. Nothing.
This one honestly believes that chanting Latin over a cracker turn it into the physical flesh of a 2,000 year-dead zombie.

Who in their right mind would listen to anything else such a maniac has to say?
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