Altruism as good as sex and chocolate?

Eva wrote

but of course she is afraid, and rightly so....but it's all fun and games for us! and increased traffic! that's why we can all say: LILY, WE LUV YA!

and tony, really, you are harmless....

:D

AHA! Finally you admit it. I am the only reason this forum has any life left in it.

I just love the way Mad Tony, who has been dancing around on his hind legs like a little dog, begging for my attention, is now strutting through the forum like a dunghill cock bragging that I am afraid of him, because I was fool enough to give in for a half a second. Please tell him that the blood I feared would be drawn was his, not mine. I don't want to have to prove it...

[anthonyjfuchs]

Ooooh...you mean that you would draw my blood?

:lol:

Well; if that's what you need to believe, then go to it. As long as all my kewl atheist friends are impressed with my bravado, then my job is done.

And I do so love your caricatures of me. What brand of straw is that anyway?

[Eva]

lily, i know you just loooove to flatter yourself but, dah-ling, read again. i never said you were the only reason this forum has any life left in it....
guess who needs to learn to read?

and i do too love tony's ways.....we finally agree on something?
and i also adore the way he struts with his cock dragging.....oh wait...

[antix]

anthonyjfuchs wrote

SHHHHHH!!!! You promised not to say anything in front of the kids...

Hmm....? What's going on here? HEY! What are you two talking about? I sure hope I didn't hear what I think I heard...

[calpurnpiso]

Well, any forum needs a punching bag that's also an idiot and clown. Perfect combination. AHH...the amusement upsets the tedium. The reason we all love Lily.:)

[Kate]

[Kate]

Rat Bastard wrote

That's the problem! Katie needs to put a steak in its heart!

[Kate]

Eva wrote

oh tony, puh-leeze....you are loving all of this, admit it....
and you know, in your sacrilegious heart of hearts, that she will not ignore you. no matter how much you insist-nay, DEMAND that she do that....

[Mog]

[Kate]

:thumbsup:

[Sternwallow]

Lily wrote

You are quite new here and, I see, you are definitely fitting in. That is not a good thing, per se. The problem is, you, like so many here, have created a caricature of an "evil" fundy and believe it to be true. Thus it is virtually impossible to create a middle ground where issues can be discussed. Well it is the raving atheists, as I have been told repeatedly. I just don't accept that as an excuse.

I and other "theists" have spoken many times about the (non) issues you raise. The creation story, Noah et al. is pure mythology. The Church has always known that-- and we have proved this by citing the relevant sources over and over again. I did so again, in this very thread.

You can, if you like, consult a briefer version of the education I and others have tried to impart here: http://ravingatheists.com/forum/view...233715#p233715 that is #303 in this thread. I think there were some good questions asked by Snap and Demi in the following messages before Stern and AJF swooped in to turn this into another brawl.

I haven't concerned myself quite as much with the NT, mostly because I find the challenges to its historicity so silly. For a sober discussion you might want to use the search function and search for author Steveg or Thomas. Both of them, singly or in talking together (there is a Steve vs Thomas thread), are a real pleasure to read.

Then, when you have been adequately informed, you will have a choice; continue to hold to the beliefs you express here which fit in very well with the simplistic and largely ignorant forum line. The cheers will gladden your heart and assure you that you are one of the gang.

Or, you can develop a more sophisticated grasp of what we really believe. That doesn't mean that you will change your mind and suddenly become a "theist". It will merely enable you to talk meaningfully about and to us.

You thoroughly miss the issue regarding fundies. If you don't believe that the OT is true throughout, except for a very few tiny wording patches here and there, you are not a fundy by my definition. You merely hold a few of the same loony beliefs. There are abundant fundies who do believe the whole list of hogwash and overall Biblical inerrancy. The reason we bother about them is that, in their exercise of their freedom of religion, they believe that they are under a "burden" from God himself to restrict all of our freedom from religion in the case of atheists and freedom of religion for all non-Christians. We can be thankful that relatively few of these poor misguided “souls” do not actually put their faith into practice by imprisoning and stoning people they decide are miscreants.

We have been informed and clearly understand the concept that sin is the progenitor of evil and that its introduction into the, until that moment, perfect world, stained the whole of nature even refitting some large herbivores, on the spot, with different dentition so that they could become carnivores. Certainly the invention of evil where it never existed before is the root cause of devastating volcanic eruptions and earthquakes (as reported for a sign during the crucifixion). How ignorant we must be to question these things.

You, Lily, are apparently not a normal fundy. They are out there, that 30+% of Christians who do explicitly believe in Cal's "Night of the Ancient Living Dead" and they would happily make it illegal to say that that grisly scene never really happened.

Now, I would not take the Bible as a viable basis for a religion or for any other consideration beyond its marginal value as a raw piece of literature. One could as easily justify adopting "Finnegans Wake" by James Joyce as the rock on which to build a church. It is at least as reliable, sensible and believable as the Bible and it has several advantages by being new enough that the landmarks it references still exist, enabling us to confirm its veracity. Also like the Bible, but less cryptic and more easily evaluated, "Finnegans Wake" records a vast collection of predictions which, by the end of the book, have been shown to have come true with truly stunning precision. Unlike the Bible and greatly to its credit as belonging to a transcendent philosophy, “Finnegans Wake” is literally endless. Therefore, “Finnegans wake” is verily the word of any god that there might be. As an intelligent choice, "Finnegans Wake" is the best bet in routes to salvation or guidance in how to live the good life or dealing with the universal and timeless questions.

“Nonsense” quote by Lily as a substitute for rational discussion.

“Ridiculous” directly from the horse’s Lily mouth. A response of such stunning depth that I am bereft of adequate skills to plumb it.

[Kate]

[Sternwallow]

Choobus wrote

wow. You guys are more patient than Jesus.

It is as easy as wading in a shallow creek. Little substantial effort is required and the change of thought patterns from the ordinary demands of daily life can even be refreshing, for a while at least.

I will say that the contributions that you and the rest of the gang (Lily would have said "gag") really help us to scale the mountains of tripe that we encounter among the collected Lilyishisms.
:cheers:

[Mog]

Sternwallow wrote

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“Ridiculous” directly from the horse’s Lily mouth. A response of such stunning depth that I am bereft of adequate skills to plumb it.

Hold on, Sternwallow, We're saving our horse cartoons for the next theist that comes around...

[Sternwallow]

godless wrote

The problem with you is that you are speaking with the benefit of hundreds of years of SECULAR science, education & western cultural & moral progess that has come DESPITE religion not because of it. You can coldy shrug off literal interpretations of passages, citing them as obviously poetic, midrash, symbolic, creative, metaphorical etc. as modern understanding requires all but the 'most compartmentalised thinkers' to distance themselves from literal interpretations of the more ludicrous passages.

It is not the fundies that are evil it is the bible. The bible's commanding of rape, torture, murder, genocide, permission of slavery, & promotion of intolerance against unbelievers, believers of other faiths, Jews, & homosexuals; & of course promotion of misogony.

The only thing I find more unbelievable than the bible is the pathetic 'stretch of the imagination' apologetics. If you choose to worship a complete bastard of a god, at least have the courage to admit that at least by his own accounts he is a bastard.

Such pity, that the crusaders didn't have your intellect & reading to reject the Pope's call to war. I'm sure you would have been smarter in the 10th & 11th century than they were despite none of your current education you love to lord over me & others.

You claim not to be sympathetic towards fundamentalism, yet I remember reading one of your posts many months ago that you were seriously looking at the Catholic church, the church responsible for more human misery, atrocities & deaths than any other.

They are all issues. Maybe not for someone as enlightened as you. After all the crusaders weren't real Christians like you, despite the fact many sold their lands, & even borrowed money to heed the Pope's call to battle, despite the fact that they risked & indeed mostly gave their lives. Likewise the adoption of Sharia Law cannot be blamed on the bible, nor the hatred of the Jews, nor the killing of witches. I mean if someone is stupid enough to read, 'Do not suffer a witch to live' literally, instead of it's obvious meaning, 'love one another' what can you do.

& yet we have a $27 million dollar creation museum built in Kansas, & hundred of more millions of dollars spent fighting 'evolution theory'. You tacitly & directly support these imbeciles by calling yourself a Christian, just as you tacitly & directly support the deaths of millions in Africa & third world nations where the Catholic church preaches against condoms, by indentifying yourself as a Catholic if you have in fact made this choice.

Do not delude yourself that your moderate 'middle ground' approach is not harming society. You are no different than the moderate muslims who form the community from which the jihadists spring.

Agreed, the fact that it was such a short time ago, the meticulous record keeping of the Romans, the proximity to the great library of Alexandria & the scholars & historians who frequented it, it would be impossible for the stories & miracles contained in the NT not to be picked up on by a dozen or more historians. This was the news story of the millennia. The fact that not one reputable historian wrote about Jesus, we obviously can conclude that the entire NT is just jewish midrash as is the OT. Vile, intolerant, racist, homophobic, genocidal, misognystic, evil rubbish.

I doubt you could find two Christians who believed the same things Lily, that is from different denominations anyway. Besided I'm not so much concerned with what various theists believe as what your vile text ACTUALLY states.

I can talk more 'meaningfully' to most of the sheeple about religion than they can, as I was once a sheep, & even then read & understood more than the majority. My mind was 'changed' when I became a theist, I developed OCD's, superstitions, suffered low self esteem, & other psychological problems, as a direct result of believing is something I couldn't see, feel, hear, touch, smell. Please don't wish such state upon me again, I am now mentally healthy & wish to say that way. I can only hope the same for you Lily.:| It's not too late, it never will be, while your body holds breath

Brought a tear of appreciation to my old eyes. :thumbsup: