Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-10-2006, 11:59 PM   #31
DrunkMonkey
Alcoholic Primate
 
DrunkMonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: State College
Posts: 1,737
Quote:
southern_freethinker wrote
Also, folks might not be aware of it (or even care, since it contradicts the holy sacrament of their Global Warming religion) that Mars is also undergoing a global warming of its own:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ge_031208.html
http://www.mos.org/cst-archive/article/80/9.html
...and to my knowledge there are no SUVs or smoke-belching factories there. Could the Sun be putting out more solar energy, thereby affecting both planets? There HAS been more solar activity in the past few years. Hmm...
Quote:
The sun's intensity does vary. In the late 1970's, sophisticated technology was developed that can directly measure the sun's intensity. Measurements from these instruments show that in the past 20 years the sun's variations have been very small. Indirect measures of changes in sun's intensity since the beginning of the industrial revolution in 1750 show that variations in the sun's intensity do not account for all the warming that occurred in the 20th century and that the majority of the warming was caused by an increase in human-made greenhouse gas emissions.
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/pdf/TAR-06.PDF

But I am sure you know more than those alarmist scientists who actually study this stuff. We all know there would be huge problems if we tried to cut down on global carbon dioxide emissions.

You remind of Cobra. That is not a thing to be proud of.

"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." -Richard Dawkins
DrunkMonkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 12:07 AM   #32
psikeyhackr
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
southern_freethinker wrote
Also, folks might not be aware of it (or even care, since it contradicts the holy sacrament of their Global Warming religion) that Mars is also undergoing a global warming of its own:
...and to my knowledge there are no SUVs or smoke-belching factories there. Could the Sun be putting out more solar energy, thereby affecting both planets? There HAS been more solar activity in the past few years. Hmm...
So if we have increased solar activity combined with a greenhouse effect, what then?

psik
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 06:22 AM   #33
southern_freethinker
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
psikeyhackr wrote
Quote:
southern_freethinker wrote
Also, folks might not be aware of it (or even care, since it contradicts the holy sacrament of their Global Warming religion) that Mars is also undergoing a global warming of its own:
...and to my knowledge there are no SUVs or smoke-belching factories there. Could the Sun be putting out more solar energy, thereby affecting both planets? There HAS been more solar activity in the past few years. Hmm...
So if we have increased solar activity combined with a greenhouse effect, what then?

psik
IT MEANS WE'RE ALL GONNA (SOB!!) DIE !!!!! Oh gawd, we're all gonna DIIIIEEEE! Oh wait, no that's a bit overblown, sorry....sort of like Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" movie. Here's what another environmentalist, Bjorn Lomborg, said about the issue:

"Wondering how all this might go over with Al Gore, I ask Mr. Lomborg if he'd seen the former vice president's new film that warns of a climate-change disaster. He's planning to, but notes he wasn't impressed by the trailers: "It appears to be so overblown that it isn't helpful to the discussion." Not that Mr. Lomborg doesn't think global warming is a problem--he does. But he lays out the facts. "The proposed way of fixing this--to drastically reduce carbon emissions now and to solve a 100-year problem in a 10-year time frame, is just a bad idea. You do fairly little good at a fairly high price. It makes more sense to solve the 100-year problem in a 50-year time frame, and solve the 10-year problems, like HIV-AIDS, in a five-year time frame. That makes sense, and is the smart way to spend money."

Slipping into his environmentalist's shoes, he also says people need to get some perspective. "The U.N. tells us global warming will result in a sea-level change of one to two feet. It is not going to be the 30 feet Al Gore is scaring us with. Is this one to two feet going to be a problem? Sure," he says. "But remember that this past century sea levels rose between one-third and a full foot. And if you ask old people today what the most important things were that happened in the 20th century, do you think they are going to say: 'Two world wars, the internal combustion engine, the IT revolution . . . and sea levels rose'? It's not to say it isn't a problem. But we fix these problems."


So er....maybe we're all NOT gonna die after all, at least from Global Warming. C'mon folks, bring the same rationality that you bring to atheism to the new religion of Global Warming. I'm just saying you need to apply the same skepticism you already have to this new religion.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 06:22 AM   #34
southern_freethinker
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Oops, forgot to cite the above quotation...here 'tis:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110008626
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 06:34 AM   #35
southern_freethinker
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
So, regarding Global Warming as a religion aside, here's a bigger question. If we can have only scant effect on global warming no matter what we do, is it worth the trillions of dollars and higher taxes and curtailing our behaviors for only a token mitigation of the effect? Or maybe we can just (as Bjorn Lomborg says) just work around it and go on with our lives. After all, the eruptions of Mt. Pinatubo and Mt. St. Helens put more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than all the effects of the Industrial Age combined. Whatever global warming there is is vastly due more to nature (volcanoes, solar effects, etc.) than the puny amount we humans are contributing. Capitalist Pig that I am, I don't want to see any more of my income or savings diverted to lofty but unattainable goals...tilting at windmills or "fixing" global warming. Tell it to China and India...they're pumping out WAY more CO2 than we are. What do you think their reply would be? "OH, so sorry...OK, we stop now." Yeah, good luck.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 06:49 AM   #36
Professor Chaos
General of the Attacking Army
 
Professor Chaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 12,904
The biggest skeptic in the world is convinced.

You're using INHOFE as a citation? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Hmmmm, look where most of Inhofe's money comes from.

AP finds virtual unanimity among scientists agreeing with Gore's data.

I will grieve. Grief is not a theistic concept. ~ Sternwallow
Professor Chaos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 06:51 AM   #37
Professor Chaos
General of the Attacking Army
 
Professor Chaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 12,904
And get your facts straight on CO2 emissions.

Nobody touches the U.S.

I will grieve. Grief is not a theistic concept. ~ Sternwallow
Professor Chaos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 06:53 AM   #38
southern_freethinker
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You're using the Gore movie as a citation?
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 06:53 AM   #39
Professor Chaos
General of the Attacking Army
 
Professor Chaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 12,904
Quote:
southern_freethinker wrote
So, regarding Global Warming as a religion aside, here's a bigger question. If we can have only scant effect on global warming no matter what we do, is it worth the trillions of dollars and higher taxes and curtailing our behaviors for only a token mitigation of the effect? Or maybe we can just (as Bjorn Lomborg says) just work around it and go on with our lives. After all, the eruptions of Mt. Pinatubo and Mt. St. Helens put more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than all the effects of the Industrial Age combined. Whatever global warming there is is vastly due more to nature (volcanoes, solar effects, etc.) than the puny amount we humans are contributing. Capitalist Pig that I am, I don't want to see any more of my income or savings diverted to lofty but unattainable goals...tilting at windmills or "fixing" global warming. Tell it to China and India...they're pumping out WAY more CO2 than we are. What do you think their reply would be? "OH, so sorry...OK, we stop now." Yeah, good luck.
Every post you've made on this topic is teeming with bullshit. What makes you say that we can have "only scant effect on global warming no matter what we do?"

I'd love to see your sources for this. Let me guess, "Concerned Oil Collecting Knights of Science?"

I will grieve. Grief is not a theistic concept. ~ Sternwallow
Professor Chaos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 06:55 AM   #40
southern_freethinker
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Professor Chaos wrote
So? As Lombord says, we'll work around it. Oh wait, I forgot the Global Warming holy mantra:

"WE'RE ALL GONNA DIIIIEEE!! OH NO!!!!"

...there, does that make ya feel better?
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 06:58 AM   #41
Professor Chaos
General of the Attacking Army
 
Professor Chaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 12,904
Quote:
Southern Freethinker wrote
a bunch of incorrect information
Quote:
professor chaos wrote
calling him out on it.
Quote:
Southern Freethinker wrote
So! You're a poopy!
Way to go, douche. :rolleyes:

I will grieve. Grief is not a theistic concept. ~ Sternwallow
Professor Chaos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 07:13 AM   #42
southern_freethinker
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
The Global Warming fundamentalists do carry on, don't they? What's next? ...preaching on streetcorners? Oh wait, they already do that. How about door-to-door campaigning? Oh wait, some of them do that too. OMG, we've seen the birth of a new religion right here in our own lifetimes!! Somebody mix up the kool-aid.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 07:20 AM   #43
Professor Chaos
General of the Attacking Army
 
Professor Chaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 12,904
Quote:
southern_freethinker wrote
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You're using the Gore movie as a citation?
Here's a tip. The blue colored letters are what are known as "links." If you scroll your mouse (the plastic thing that moves the little arrow on your monitor) so that the arrow goes over the letters, the arrow will turn into a hand (the only thing that will have sex with you.) Then, "click" the left button, and you will find that you can learn some stuff by "reading" the articles you'll wind up looking at.

I will grieve. Grief is not a theistic concept. ~ Sternwallow
Professor Chaos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 07:22 AM   #44
Professor Chaos
General of the Attacking Army
 
Professor Chaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 12,904
Quote:
southern_freethinker wrote

I will grieve. Grief is not a theistic concept. ~ Sternwallow
Professor Chaos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2006, 07:30 AM   #45
Philboid Studge
Organ Donator
 
Philboid Studge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Beastly Muck
Posts: 13,136
Quote:
SFreeT wrote
If we can have only scant effect on global warming no matter what we do, is it worth the trillions of dollars and higher taxes and curtailing our behaviors for only a token mitigation of the effect?
A false choice, of course. A real capitalist would recognise two things: the opportunities to develop all kinds of new industries and the necessity of doing so before the oil runs out.

S.FreeT, why do you think the overwhelming majority of climate scientists -- from all sorts of backgrounds, political systems, etc -- have come to a consensus on this, whereas a handful of skeptics (such as Lomborg [who is not, I hasten to add, a climate expert but a statistician]) deny the science? Are the majority of climate experts around the world beholden to the 'religion' of climate change? That doesn't strike you as slightly cuckoo-bananas?

Really, now: why? Do you think there's a vast leftscience-wing conspiracy to redistribute wealth (as numbnuts like Inhofe suggest)?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
La propriété, c'est le vol ...
Philboid Studge is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:11 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin - Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2000 - , Raving Atheists [dot] com frequency-supranational frequency-supranational