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Old 08-27-2007, 12:46 PM   #1
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Three short questions relating to evolution

1) How does evolution explain human modesty? In what way is clothing more advantageous than fur? (Why) are we innately repulsed by public nudity?
2) Are Homo sapiens unique in their appreciation of beauty and art?
3) How does evolution justify an appreciation for beauty?
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:51 PM   #2
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Why does evolution let good things happen to bad people?
When you do that, does that make baby evolution cry?
What will evolution be bringing for dinner?

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Old 08-27-2007, 12:59 PM   #3
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I get your point. Just wondering.
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:09 PM   #4
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1) How does evolution explain human modesty? In what way is clothing more advantageous than fur? (Why) are we innately repulsed by public nudity?
2) Are Homo sapiens unique in their appreciation of beauty and art?
3) How does evolution justify an appreciation for beauty?
1) Are you a cunt?
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a. Yes
b. Hell Yes
c. Abso-fucking-loutely
d. What does ‘redundant’ mean?
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:12 PM   #5
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4.) Since when are five questions three questions?

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Old 08-27-2007, 01:17 PM   #6
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d) None of the Above

One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected....That they should have this immunity is an outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift them above other ideas. On the contrary, they are always dubious and often quite silly.
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:18 PM   #7
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1) How does evolution explain human modesty? In what way is clothing more advantageous than fur? (Why) are we innately repulsed by public nudity?
2) Are Homo sapiens unique in their appreciation of beauty and art?
3) How does evolution justify an appreciation for beauty?
1. I'm told that as a toddler I ran out the door naked every chance I got, and I still go barefoot outside even in winter snows rather than bother with shoes if I'm just going out for a bit. Clothing is better than fur because when it gets hot you can take it off. The only public nudity that "repulses" me is when it is fat or just plain nasty. I can't surf for enough nudity (of course, that's just me). Needless to say "modesty" is about as learned a behavior as you can get.

2. Are HS anywhere near unified in their appreciation of beauty and art? What is beauty?

3. ?????????

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Old 08-27-2007, 01:20 PM   #8
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1) How does evolution explain human modesty? In what way is clothing more advantageous than fur? (Why) are we innately repulsed by public nudity?
2) Are Homo sapiens unique in their appreciation of beauty and art?
3) How does evolution justify an appreciation for beauty?
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:25 PM   #9
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6) Why Do Herds Of Orthodox Jewish Males Refuse To Use The Fucking Sidewalk On The Sabbath?????????????

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Old 08-27-2007, 01:30 PM   #10
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If you're looking for serious answers around here, you would do well to ask questions that aren't hopelessly dishonest, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

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1) How does evolution explain human modesty? In what way is clothing more advantageous than fur? (Why) are we innately repulsed by public nudity?
In order to have any question at all, you need to demonstrate that humans actually are innately repulsed by public nudity, as in many societies - especially in tropical climates - people are quite comfortable being topless in public. In some communities I've seen, men even wear gourds over their penises to make them appear larger and permanently erect.

It therefore stands to reason that such things as modesty are the result of human culture and upbringing, rather than genetics, and evolution by natural selection therefore has little to do with it.

You should also consider that humans evolved to their present form almost entirely in areas where clothing is not necessary to maintain a stable body temperature. The wearing of clothes was a cultural adaptation to allow humans to move into less temperate climates.

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2) Are Homo sapiens unique in their appreciation of beauty and art?
That depends how you define beauty and art. Humans, as the only living animals that seem to be able to invent complex tools, would be expected to be the only ones to create art, but in order to answer that question meaningfully you would have to find very lucid definitions and find some way of asking other animals if they agree.

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3) How does evolution justify an appreciation for beauty?
Probably more easily than you think. Beauty in one sense can be defined as symmetry of pattern. Our ancestors would have gained a distinct advantage from the ability to recognize patterns in nature, and, in a more obvious sense, in their potential mates. Symmetry in facial features can be used as a good indication of a person's health, especially in their development, and as such acts as an outward indication of competitive genes.

This concept overlaps with that of beauty as defined by sexual appeal, which combines the outward indication of symmetry with other features, - such as a pear-shaped body form and full lips in women - which can act as indicators of sexual arousal or child-bearing ability. Thus, an ability to recognize such traits would be highly advantageous to any animal that wishes to pass on its genes successfully.

There are many books for lay audiences which address these concepts. I would suggest a trip to amazon.com if you have more questions.
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:32 PM   #11
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1. Hey Clam, lets not also forget that lots of nasty little critters can hide in fur such as lice, fleas, etc.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten...300/5628/2028c

With removable fur, we don't have this source of disease.

2. There seems to be numerous examples where evolution evolved some rather flashy mating rituals. Check out the peacock!

3.I think though that beauty and art are just more indicators of healthiness. If we didn't have them we wouldn't have such a keen sense when something is dangerous or diseased. We also seem to have "cuteness" receptors, perhaps indicating when something is harmless and needs protecting.

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Old 08-27-2007, 01:33 PM   #12
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You're such a sweetheart, whoneedscience.

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Old 08-27-2007, 01:34 PM   #13
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1) How does evolution explain human modesty? In what way is clothing more advantageous than fur? (Why) are we innately repulsed by public nudity?
2) Are Homo sapiens unique in their appreciation of beauty and art?
3) How does evolution justify an appreciation for beauty?
1) I would disagree with your contention that "modesty" is innate. Babies make no effort to clothe themselves. Lots of little children have no problem with nudity. It is more likely that "modesty" is a culturally inculcated.

2) There many documented cases of certain animal species being attracted to specific colors and patterns. In many species of bird, the female selects her mate based on his dancing and his display of colors.

3) What do you mean by "justify"? The process of evolution does not "justify" anything. I will assume that what you mean to ask is how appreciation of beauty can be a selective advantage. I would argue that appreciation of beauty is merely a byproduct of the high capacity (relative to all other species) to reason. In many species, attraction serves a useful purpose. For example, females will select for males that are more likely to produce successful offspring.
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:36 PM   #15
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Thank you very much. That’s all I came here for. I have no theist agenda and I apologize for my ignorance.
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