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Old 05-31-2007, 11:31 AM   #76
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Closer to reality is something like this..

1) Christians believe that all things exist because of God.
2) Over time, science explains the mechanisms by which this existence operates.
3) Christian thinkers affirm this and find it totally unsurprising. Things like those referenced in Mog's original post are totally in keeping with what our understanding already was and has been for more than 500 years. It's interesting at the least, possibly very beneficial to humanity at best. Great to hear!
So the notion of man being created "in God's image" wasn't taken to mean his physical image before Darwin?
No, it was not. That God was not a bearded dude in the sky who we 'look' like is at least as old as Christianity (actually much older).

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Old 05-31-2007, 11:32 AM   #77
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SteveG, what is the purpose of selling mannequin limbs at Our Lady of Fatima? Do you believe these things actually work for their intended purpose?

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Old 05-31-2007, 11:33 AM   #78
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why can't people understand that instead of having to do all this convoluted, irrational mental cartwheels to justify gods' existence, it makes much more sense to just say: there can't posibly be any gods?? that things are the way they are, and most of them have a rational, scientific explanation and in none of those explanations it is shown that gods of any kind had anything to do with them???
why?????? why add the extra unecessary ingredient?? the one that explains or adds nothing??

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Old 05-31-2007, 11:36 AM   #79
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So, back to the original post and point by Mog. OK, so humans actually get pleasure from doing good. Wow, what a revelation. And water is wet.
Come now, SteveG! Strawmen don't become you! I think Mog's original point was that the research might be showing (yet again) that free will is a frigging illusion. That's not a wee bit disconcerting to Christophile theologians?

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Old 05-31-2007, 11:39 AM   #80
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So, back to the original post and point by Mog. OK, so humans actually get pleasure from doing good. Wow, what a revelation. And water is wet.
Come now, SteveG! Strawmen don't become you! I think Mog's original point was that the research might be showing (yet again) that free will is a frigging illusion. That's not a wee bit disconcerting to Christophile theologians?
No. Whatever physiological explanations science comes up with for anything will be answered with an emphatic, "Godidit."

God wired the brain that way.

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Old 05-31-2007, 11:40 AM   #81
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OK, so humans actually get pleasure from doing good. Wow, what a revelation. And water is wet.
And Ol' G is responsible for it all (Well, except for the bad stuff; that's the devil and willful humans' fault for bringing things like cancer, genocide and tsunamis on themselves). Glad we cleared all that up.
hmmm... but Lily is the one who is condescending.

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Old 05-31-2007, 11:41 AM   #82
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OK, so humans actually get pleasure from doing good. Wow, what a revelation. And water is wet.
And Ol' G is responsible for it all (Well, except for the bad stuff; that's the devil and willful humans' fault for bringing things like cancer, genocide and tsunamis on themselves). Glad we cleared all that up.
hmmm... but Lily is the one who is condescending.
Can you actually read your own post that he is responding to?

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Old 05-31-2007, 11:42 AM   #83
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OK, so humans actually get pleasure from doing good. Wow, what a revelation. And water is wet.
And Ol' G is responsible for it all (Well, except for the bad stuff; that's the devil and willful humans' fault for bringing things like cancer, genocide and tsunamis on themselves). Glad we cleared all that up.
hmmm... but Lily is the one who is condescending.
I would nevah be so presumptuous on a Christian forum; I don't visit them at all. But, if I did, I'd fully expect them to engage me similarly.

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Old 05-31-2007, 11:44 AM   #84
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Steve, is that ultraman on your avitar?
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good pick up!
Super sweet! One can never have too much Ultraman :cheers:
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Old 05-31-2007, 11:47 AM   #85
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And Ol' G is responsible for it all (Well, except for the bad stuff; that's the devil and willful humans' fault for bringing things like cancer, genocide and tsunamis on themselves). Glad we cleared all that up.
hmmm... but Lily is the one who is condescending.
I would nevah be so presumptuous on a Christian forum; I don't visit them at all. But, if I did, I'd fully expect them to engage me similarly.
Isn't this the "But mom! All the other kids do it" excuse? It is obviously possible that no actual honest discussion is wanted here. But at least recognize that fact and own up to it.
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Old 05-31-2007, 11:49 AM   #86
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own up to it.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
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You are the last person who should be lecturing people on owning up to things.

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Old 05-31-2007, 11:50 AM   #87
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Isn't this the "But mom! All the other kids do it" excuse? It is obviously possible that no actual honest discussion is wanted here. But at least recognize that fact and own up to it.
Quite a few of the other theists seem to get plenty of actual honest discussion here and I seem to remember you taking part in a few yourself.
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Old 05-31-2007, 11:51 AM   #88
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SteveG, what is the purpose of selling mannequin limbs at Our Lady of Fatima? Do you believe these things actually work for their intended purpose?
I have never even heard of this, so I have no idea what the purpose is. It sounds very funny, and very superstitious to me. I really can't comment more than that.

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Old 05-31-2007, 11:55 AM   #89
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I would also add the obvious: That is, in addition to deriving pleasure from doing good, humans who lack empathy or a conscience (either by birth defect or by temporary suspension of this otherwise inherent capacity), also derive pleasure from evil.

And I'll apologize to you, SteveG. I don't really mean to be antagonistic. I know you are sincere in your beliefs, as am I. Dialog between those of opposing philosophies is a good thing, and I shouldn't sully it by being sarcastic. I hate yeilding to the cynical part of my nature. Frustration sometimes leads me there. It's just that I don't imagine we'll ever have a meeting of the minds on this god thing.

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Old 05-31-2007, 11:55 AM   #90
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Irr, are they like souvenirs or something? I have a mannequin head at home but I use it as a hat rack not for healing. Perhaps I’ve been underutilizing it this whole time.
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