Perfect healthcare system?

ILOVEJESUS · 08-31-2009, 09:29 AM

As there is a thread arguing about specific issues involving specific countries whos ossues are not universally known, I thought we could all try to cobble together a system that we think works for the majority , delivered in the most efficient way. NO ARGUING WITHOUT OFFERING AN ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT YOU ARE ARGUING AGAINST PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

Captain Relativity · 08-31-2009, 10:06 AM

Make single-payer medicare available to all citizens who want it. Make for-profit insurance companies illegal. Incarcerate all insurance company execs for the crime of grand theft, confiscate all their shit and give a bunch of it to me. Including at least one 747 so I can make a really nice RV out of it. That's what I'd do with health care.

ubs · 08-31-2009, 12:32 PM

Outlaw third party payments. You can have insurance, but it's illegal for them to interact with your physician. Government subsidized HSA's for low income children and then wait a bit and see if that sufficiently improves access.

dogpet · 08-31-2009, 01:26 PM

Triage Triage Triage. B4 you get anywhere near a Doctor.

Semi skilled operatives to deal with the anal warts.

Free marijuana at death prep clinics.

Smellyoldgit · 08-31-2009, 01:53 PM

Free homeopathetic treatment.
Superglue for broken bones.
Employ Cal-esq specialists for all mental illness cases.
Drive-through heart by-pass clinics affiliated to MuckDonalds.
Clap clinic at every state run brothel.

Fuck me, this is easy - solved it in 10 minutes!

ILOVEJESUS · 08-31-2009, 02:00 PM

Hmmmmmm. You know if we don't have some things prepared Lily will lol. Id like to see free health care but we need to limit it. Pissed up wankers knocking themselves out on a weekend eve need to be fined for their strain on their local health organisations.

dogpet · 08-31-2009, 02:14 PM

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ILOVEJESUS wrote

Hmmmmmm. You know if we don't have some things prepared Lily will lol.

Tax funded stem cell research, so we own the results.

Sternwallow · 08-31-2009, 07:35 PM

Contrary to Bovina's claim that tort reform would be the major improvement to overall healthcare costs, NPR reported that the best that tort reform could produce is less than 2% improvement. Despite what we hear about insane jury awards, it just is not significant against the total cost. Bovina loses another increment of credibility that she can not afford. Her current credibility level is deeply in debt due to the outright lies she told us in these threads.

Tort reform is definitely needed, but it is not a significant part of overal health care cost reduction.

Victus · 08-31-2009, 09:10 PM

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Sternwallow wrote

Contrary to Bovina's claim that tort reform would be the major improvement to overall healthcare costs, NPR reported that the best that tort reform could produce is less than 2% improvement. Despite what we hear about insane jury awards, it just is not significant against the total cost. Bovina loses another increment of credibility that she can not afford. Her current credibility level is deeply in debt due to the outright lies she told us in these threads.

Tort reform is definitely needed, but it is not a significant part of overal health care cost reduction.

It depends on how you define 'significant', although I agree with you in general. Projecting from the findings of a study I found, it would save a maximum of 72 billion (probably less, since 28 states have already overhauled the laws). It's a lot of money, but compared to the annual inflation rate of healthcare in the US it would essentially buy 6 months to a year, heardly a 'fix'.

Part of the problem is that a lot of the 'insane' rewards go towards covering the future medical expenses of the plantiff (I've seen estimates that this represents 50% of the average pay-out). This can't be reformed away (not ethically, at least).

Atavus · 08-31-2009, 09:24 PM

Stop subsidizing the beef industry and put that money towards healthcare. Heart disease and obesity will decrease. We spoiled americans will just have to deal with eating less meat. I love beef and I'm willing to deal with that.

I'll have to ponder more about this before I give a more insightful post for this topic.

ILOVEJESUS · 09-01-2009, 04:40 AM

Is it possible that allowing profiteering from your insurance companies in the states is unethical. If it was nationalised then it would be cheaper. However Lily has a point in the ineffectiveness of Governments, however we trust them with the military etc. I just think that cutting out middle men is an obvious saving of cash.

Sternwallow · 09-02-2009, 01:47 AM

Hey, heartless, middle men gotta eat too, you know!

Philboid Studge · 09-02-2009, 05:35 AM

Is health care a right or a privilege? Or is that a false dickectomy?

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Atavus wrote

Stop subsidizing the beef industry and put that money towards healthcare. Heart disease and obesity will decrease.

There are excellent reasons to reduce meat consumption and encourage healthy lifestyles, but I'm not sure that will reduce costs of medical care. Even if you can decrease heart disease, obesity, and all the rest of it, it might make things even more expensive. All these newly healthy fatties will age (longer than they would have, had we let them continue to stuff Ding Dongs down their pie-holes), eventually requiring the most expensive health care -- that which we use to prolong the lives of geriatrics for a few more useless months in a hospital bed.

I say death panels are the way to go. A humane way to do it would be to give the grotesquely overweight a choice: either lose weight through a healthy diet and exercise, or eat this pie laced with strychnine. Which do you think they'll choose?

Chronically Crapulous Fattie Chooses Pie

ILOVEJESUS · 09-02-2009, 06:08 AM

Pie definately pie.

BIG BAD ATHEIST · 09-03-2009, 02:10 PM

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Philboid Studge wrote

Is health care a right or a privilege? Or is that a false dickectomy?

There are excellent reasons to reduce meat consumption and encourage healthy lifestyles, but I'm not sure that will reduce costs of medical care. Even if you can decrease heart disease, obesity, and all the rest of it, it might make things even more expensive. All these newly healthy fatties will age (longer than they would have, had we let them continue to stuff Ding Dongs down their pie-holes), eventually requiring the most expensive health care -- that which we use to prolong the lives of geriatrics for a few more useless months in a hospital bed.

I say death panels are the way to go. A humane way to do it would be to give the grotesquely overweight a choice: either lose weight through a healthy diet and exercise, or eat this pie laced with strychnine. Which do you think they'll choose?

Chronically Crapulous Fattie Chooses Pie

What happens to those who have thyroid problems?

Is that your girlfriend or wiff, philboid?