12-28-2006, 06:57 AM
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Every once in a while a religious authority will make a moral statement that roughly jibes with my own sense of morality. (I suspect it's dumb luck on their part.) I will note that the Vatican made vague rumblings back in 2002 about the wrongness of pre-emptive war, but as I recall, the rumblings subsided once the war was underway, and we haven't heard much about it since. Or anyway, I haven't heard much since, though I can't say I've been hanging on Joey Ratz's every word.
Credit where it's due though -- at least the Mothership Church is consistent about life-and-death issues. I just wish they'd be as vocal to protect living people as they are protecting blastocysts.
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Cardinal Condemns Saddam's Sentence
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 7:53 a.m. ET
ROME (AP) -- A top Vatican official condemned the death sentence against Saddam Hussein in a newspaper interview published Thursday, acknowledging the crimes of the ousted Iraqi leader but reiterating that capital punishment goes against the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.
Cardinal Renato Martino, Pope Benedict XVI's top prelate for justice issues and a former Vatican envoy to the United Nations, said that Saddam's execution would punish ''a crime with another crime'' and expressed hope that the sentence would not be carried out.
In the interview with Rome daily La Repubblica, Martino reiterated the Vatican's staunch opposition to the death penalty, saying that life must be safeguarded from its beginning to its ''natural'' end.
''The death penalty is not a natural death. And no one can give death, not even the State,'' he said.
On Tuesday, Iraq's highest court rejected Saddam's appeal against a conviction and death sentence for the killing of 148 people in Dujail, in northern Iraq, in 1982. The court said the former president should be hanged within 30 days.
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12-28-2006, 09:15 AM
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"ROME (AP) -- A top Vatican official condemned the death sentence against Saddam Hussein in a newspaper interview published Thursday, acknowledging the crimes of the ousted Iraqi leader but reiterating that capital punishment goes against the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church."
Against the teachings?..since when?...haven't they forgotten the " eye for an eye saith the Lord bullshit?
What about the EXECUTIONS of millions that did NOT believe in their STUPID, IDIOTIC, IRRATIONAL, IMMORAL teachings?..what about the pious act of INVADING other countries ( crusades) to STEAL, RAPE, IMPOSE their delusional delusions on others, and ENSLAVE populations? ( Aztec, Inca, Tainos, Dine, Hopi and all of the DEFENSELESS native populations throughout the world?
Why these delusional IMMORAL VERMIN genocidal psychopaths don't put the Grand Christ-Psychotic imbecile Bush on trail and beg their execution on a World Court, for invading countries that have NOT done us any harm, sending INNOCENT young soldiers to their deaths?
Catholic doesn't mean Universal it means LYING HYPOCRITE.
Here is their historical record in case people have forgotten about their nefarious activities throughout their 1700 years of their disgusting and despicable history.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
The Catholic Delusion has gotten NOTHING right in their dysfunctional, immoral and disgusting 1700 years of existence.
The Catholic faith GROWS in Ignorant, Gullible, dysfunctional and retarded brains!!!!!
Christians and other folks infected with delusional beliefs think and reason like schizophrenics or temporal lobe epileptics. Their morality is dictated by an invisible friend called Jesus.
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12-28-2006, 11:24 AM
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Wow. I completely agree with Cal.
If your calculator adds your inputs 2 and 3 and gets 5, but the real problem you were trying to solve was 2 plus 2, the machine gives the wrong answer for your problem. The machine isn\'t broken and yet it got the wrong answer. It was gullible and believed your lie and behaved accordingly. - Sternwallow
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12-28-2006, 11:40 AM
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Still Kate's Bitch...
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HeathenLifer wrote
Wow. I completely agree with Cal.
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Me too. For possibily the first time ever. Yowsa.
One man's strawman is another man's asshole.
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12-28-2006, 11:42 AM
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Stinkin' Mod
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Stupid question - but what is the mechanism for religion to update its teachings when they find it don't fit any more?
Stop the Holy See men!
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12-28-2006, 11:47 AM
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Smelly, Usualy quiet reinterpretation
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12-28-2006, 11:49 AM
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Just Us Chickens wrote
Smelly, Usualy quiet reinterpretation
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Of course with the blessing of gawd.
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12-28-2006, 12:19 PM
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Quote:
calpurnpiso wrote
What about the EXECUTIONS of millions that did NOT believe in their STUPID, IDIOTIC, IRRATIONAL, IMMORAL teachings?..what about the pious act of INVADING other countries ( crusades) to STEAL, RAPE, IMPOSE their delusional delusions on others, and ENSLAVE populations? ( Aztec, Inca, Tainos, Dine, Hopi and all of the DEFENSELESS native populations throughout the world?
Why these delusional IMMORAL VERMIN genocidal psychopaths don't put the Grand Christ-Psychotic imbecile Bush on trail and beg their execution on a World Court, for invading countries that have NOT done us any harm, sending INNOCENT young soldiers to their deaths?
Catholic doesn't mean Universal it means LYING HYPOCRITE.
Here is their historical record in case people have forgotten about their nefarious activities throughout their 1700 years of their disgusting and despicable history.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
The Catholic Delusion has gotten NOTHING right in their dysfunctional, immoral and disgusting 1700 years of existence.
The Catholic faith GROWS in Ignorant, Gullible, dysfunctional and retarded brains!!!!!
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Great post calpurnpiso. Catholics have been leaders in the murdering of people through out history. They segregate, expel and humiliate atheists for example. I've been told by 2 priests and a nun that atheists are going to burn in hell, and that atheists are lucky that they are not killed by being stoned.
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12-28-2006, 12:39 PM
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So, are we all agreed that the Church got one right here?
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12-28-2006, 12:43 PM
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The Original Rhinoqurilla
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Philboid Studge wrote
So, are we all agreed that the Church got one right here?
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Even a thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters will occasionally accidentally type out a real word.
Wait just a minute-You expect me to believe-That all this misbehaving-Grew from one enchanted tree? And helpless to fight it-We should all be satisfied-With this magical explanation-For why the living die-And why it's hard to be a decent human being - David Bazan
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12-28-2006, 01:00 PM
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The church is just mad that Saddam will be hanged and not stoned to death as is written in the bible.
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12-28-2006, 01:02 PM
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I do wonder about this:
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''The death penalty is not a natural death. And no one can give death, not even the State,'' he said.
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I balk at the phrase "natural death." Antibiotics aren't natural either. And I'll bet when Cardinal Martino is on his death-bed, all manner of unnatural means will be used to unnaturally prolong his mortal coil -- an unnatural death indeed.
Why is it a precept that "no one can give death" ? I understand why I think it's a nice guideline, but what does the Church base it on? Shirley not Scripture?
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12-28-2006, 01:10 PM
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Are you all really unaware of "Just War" theory? If you google it, you will get some insight into how important it is and how seriously it is taken.
Your first clue that something in your understanding is seriously wrong is agreeing with Cal. On anything.
The Church has been rather loudly against the Iraq war from the beginning. It has nothing to do with the Pope's visit to Turkey. It has also been rather loudly against capital punishment for years, though it grudgingly recognizes that it may be necessary in some instances. But the Catholic church does not like it.
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git wrote
Stupid question - but what is the mechanism for religion to update its teachings when they find it don't fit any more?
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There is no overarching body that makes "religion" update its teachings. In the case of the Catholic church there is the magesterium which is the teaching authority of the Church and consists of all bishops and the pope. Bishops by definition are charged with teaching correct doctrine and this goes on continually. When a particular question becomes pressing, the Bishops may gather in councils to decide the issue.
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12-28-2006, 01:11 PM
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Philboid Studge wrote
So, are we all agreed that the Church got one right here?
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even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
You can always turn tricks for a few extra bucks. If looks are an issue, there's the glory hole option, but don't expect more than ... tips.
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