04-28-2008, 08:57 PM
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Yup, it's a Christian Nation All Right...
I looked around and didn't see a thread on this yet, so if one exists, please forgive me.
I know many of you have probably already heard about the proposed Christian license plates in Florida. But here's another complication: Accoring to an AOL poll, it seems quite a few people support the Christian license plate, but DON'T support similar plates for other religions: http://www.skepticalmonkey.com/other-claims-in-question/christian-license-plate/#more-64
So I'd like to know, how can a person possibly justify why Christians should be able to present their religion on a license plate and others can't? Are there any Christians out there who can explain that too me?
Sara
www.skepticalmonkey.com
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04-28-2008, 10:20 PM
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Alcoholic Primate
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You remind me of someone else who linked to their website in every post...
"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." -Richard Dawkins
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04-29-2008, 04:51 AM
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I Live Here
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What's the surprise? Christians are intolerant hypocrites operating under claims of peace, fairness, morality, charity and goodness.
After all "How can it harm a child to say a prayer to our god?". (actual quote from a slimy bastard heard in a mall)
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
"Reality, the God alternative"
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04-29-2008, 06:14 AM
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greco1014 wrote
I looked around and didn't see a thread on this yet, so if one exists, please forgive me.
I know many of you have probably already heard about the proposed Christian license plates in Florida. But here's another complication: Accoring to an AOL poll, it seems quite a few people support the Christian license plate, but DON'T support similar plates for other religions: http://www.skepticalmonkey.com/other-claims-in-question/christian-license-plate/#more-64
So I'd like to know, how can a person possibly justify why Christians should be able to present their religion on a license plate and others can't? Are there any Christians out there who can explain that too me?
Sara
www.skepticalmonkey.com
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Most license plates are non-religious! So atheists definitely comprise the majority in this country. In fact, television and movies are filled with secular humanism, "science", pornography, homosexual lifestyles, dialogue that curses Christ, and every sort of sin that anyone can think of. But atheists are so terrified to hear the gospel, that the few Christian networks and license plates sends then into raving lunacy. Again, your fear of Christ shows the glorious power of God.
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04-29-2008, 06:17 AM
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Knupfer wrote
Most license plates are non-religious! So atheists definitely comprise the majority in this country. In fact, television and movies are filled with secular humanism, "science", pornography, homosexual lifestyles, dialogue that curses Christ, and every sort of sin that anyone can think of. But atheists are so terrified to hear the gospel, that the few Christian networks and license plates sends then into raving lunacy. Again, your fear of Christ shows the glorious power of God.
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So, which insane asylum are you writing from again?
"It's puzzling that Eden is synonymous with paradise when, if you think about it at all, it's more like a maximum-security prison with twenty-four hour surveillance." -Ann Druyan
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04-29-2008, 06:35 AM
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Mog wrote
So, which insane asylum are you writing from again?
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One has to know what the truth is before he can know what a delusion is. And since atheists have no clue what happend in Jewish history or most history for that matter, then they can't discern truth from fiction. Thus, by their ignorance they prove that they're the deluded ones. Sorry.
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04-29-2008, 07:08 AM
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Knupfer wrote
One has to know what the truth is before he can know what a delusion is. And since atheists have no clue what happend in Jewish history or most history for that matter, then they can't discern truth from fiction. Thus, by their ignorance they prove that they're the deluded ones. Sorry.
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Unlike you , Knutsferbrains, I know that the old testament cannot be relied on as the sole source of knowledge for Jewish History before Roman times. Egyptian, Babylonian, Assyrian and Greek accounts of the area must be included as well and using the information from those sources, we can attempt to separate the facts from the myth.
Its troubling that there is no record of the Exodus from the Egyptian records despite the number of disasters and loss of manpower described. In fact, one would have thought the Egyptian civilization would collapse from what happened, but there is no evidence of decline in the archaeological records.
I also find it interesting that much of the Old testament's prophecy of Jesus relies on the greek version of the old testament which shows some intriguing copying errors from the original tanakh that the Jewish people use.
I could go on, but I think I made my point.
"It's puzzling that Eden is synonymous with paradise when, if you think about it at all, it's more like a maximum-security prison with twenty-four hour surveillance." -Ann Druyan
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04-29-2008, 07:28 AM
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Knupfer wrote
Most license plates are non-religious! So atheists definitely comprise the majority in this country. In fact, television and movies are filled with secular humanism, "science", pornography, homosexual lifestyles, dialogue that curses Christ, and every sort of sin that anyone can think of. But atheists are so terrified to hear the gospel, that the few Christian networks and license plates sends then into raving lunacy. Again, your fear of Christ shows the glorious power of God.
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Knupfer, I'm not asking for an atheist license plate. Don't get me wrong, I don't see why we couldn't have one, but I was more specifically focusing on why other religions (Judaism, Islam, Hindu, etc) shouldn't also be allowed to have license plates (at least, according to those who took the AOL poll). Even though I don't agree with Christians about their beliefs, I like to give them (and any human being) the benefit of the doubt and assume that they will be fair-minded. Am I wrong to do that?
In this post, I was simply trying to understand the justification someone might have for wanting their religion, and theirs alone, represented. Based on some of the answers I've received here (and at Yahoo Answers, where I posted the same thing) I'm starting to get a pretty good idea about where certain people are coming from...
Sara
www.skepticalmonkey.com
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04-29-2008, 07:38 AM
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greco1014 wrote
Knupfer, I'm not asking for an atheist license plate. Don't get me wrong, I don't see why we couldn't have one, but I was more specifically focusing on why other religions (Judaism, Islam, Hindu, etc) shouldn't also be allowed to have license plates (at least, according to those who took the AOL poll). Even though I don't agree with Christians about their beliefs, I like to give them (and any human being) the benefit of the doubt and assume that they will be fair-minded. Am I wrong to do that?
In this post, I was simply trying to understand the justification someone might have for wanting their religion, and theirs alone, represented. Based on some of the answers I've received here (and at Yahoo Answers, where I posted the same thing) I'm starting to get a pretty good idea about where certain people are coming from...
Sara
www.skepticalmonkey.com
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Who says they can't? Where in this country is any Jew, Buddhist, people of Bahai faith or even Muslims not allowed to practice their religions? Nowhere. Only Christians are persecuted because Satan knows who his enemy is.
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04-29-2008, 08:16 AM
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You want sensible licence plates like ours:
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04-29-2008, 08:20 AM
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christians are persecuted? Where, where! I want to go there! Not in the USA certainly, where they are coddled, petted, given extra privileges, etc.
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04-29-2008, 08:41 AM
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Knupfer wrote
Who says they can't? Where in this country is any Jew, Buddhist, people of Bahai faith or even Muslims not allowed to practice their religions? Nowhere. Only Christians are persecuted because Satan knows who his enemy is.
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Knupfer, you are missing my original point. If you don't want to go to my website, check out the original AOL poll: http://news.aol.com/story/_a/florida-considers-christian-license/20080424065909990001
You can see from there that 66% of those polled said that Christian license plates are okay, while while something like 52% said that plates with other relgions besides Christianity are not okay. I'm simply asking, what's the justification behind this?
And to claim that Christians are persecuted (at least, here in the USA) is a major insult to people over the years of human history who HAVE been persecuted. Separation between church and state does not equal persecution--it is a valuable way to protect against persecution.
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04-29-2008, 09:29 AM
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Alcoholic Primate
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Knupfer wrote
Who says they can't? Where in this country is any Jew, Buddhist, people of Bahai faith or even Muslims not allowed to practice their religions? Nowhere. Only Christians are persecuted because Satan knows who his enemy is.
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Say it with me people:
BAN THE OBVIOUS TROLL
Nobody is this stupid. Francis is sincerely affected by christ-psychosis but Knupfer here is just trying to appear increasingly stupid.
"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." -Richard Dawkins
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04-29-2008, 09:31 AM
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I Live Here
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oh pretty pretty please with a double cherryon top and choccie sauce- ban the bloody idiot
“'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what." Fry
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04-29-2008, 09:59 AM
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greco1014 wrote
Knupfer, you are missing my original point. If you don't want to go to my website, check out the original AOL poll: http://news.aol.com/story/_a/florida-considers-christian-license/20080424065909990001
You can see from there that 66% of those polled said that Christian license plates are okay, while while something like 52% said that plates with other relgions besides Christianity are not okay. I'm simply asking, what's the justification behind this?
And to claim that Christians are persecuted (at least, here in the USA) is a major insult to people over the years of human history who HAVE been persecuted. Separation between church and state does not equal persecution--it is a valuable way to protect against persecution.
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So what you're saying is that Christians deserve worse than what we've been getting in the last few decades. Is that correct? Persecution is persecution whether it's in the form of mocking and insults or beatings and death.
The whole point is that the secular world wants to live a life of sin free of guilt. And that's why they try as hard as they can to get rid of anything Christian. Well sorry, God's word will never go away whether or not they killed Jesus, his apostles and disciples or try to get rid of his followers of today. In fact, t heir desire to do so proves Jesus right better than any Christian can. Sorry.
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