hello unbelievers, the bible is real

:D hi to all,

i have posted here a couple of times so i thought i would just say hello and introduce myself little. i am a believer in god, the bible and the truth of jesus christ. i have always been a believer but only recently have i come to know what it really means to be saved. i will try to teach you a thing or two if i can. of course not all of you because not all of you are willing. however some of you are as i can tell by your writings.

i find one thing most interesting. that is that most of you seem to be under the misguided delusion that the entire bible was somehow historically faked or made up long after the fact. this is simply not supported by any rational thinking, serious minded historian or archeologist. the bible is certainly historically accurate. the cities, nations, empires, kings, wars and national boundaries are most certainly factual.

take a look at the old testament national boundaries and see for yourself that they are the same exact boundaries of conflict in the news today. even though those boundaries have changed many times, the way it was then, is the way it is now. hhhmmmmmm?????

it is my belief that the bible is the inspired word of jesus christ himself. does that make you think? the bible is a collection of 66 books, written down by over 40 different folks, over a period of thousands of years.

copies of manuscripts from various ages of history have been found and proved to be 99.5% the same text as any other bible text. nothing has been lost in translation.

"from his mouth issued a sharp two-edged sword" this is probably old and new testament that john saw in the book of revelation.


and do not believe the lie that has deceived you. the bible was the origin of many scientific concepts that we have only recently discovered to be true.

"in the beginning (time), god created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)..."


how funny it is that man only recently discovered that time, space and matter all must have appeared at the same origin.

consider the book of job, many believe it is the oldest book in the bible, even predating genesis.

it seems that the author of the book of job knew somehow that not only was the universe expanding but that the earth was also round and that it hung upon nothing in space...

"he stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon nothing."

"he has described a circle upon the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness."

these are only brief examples. it appears to me that the 'author' of the bible was quite knowledgeable of science. yet, how can this be?

i hope i have made some of you think.

so i am looking forward to debating you all on this and bringing anyone i can into the light of truth. :)

While I don't believe the entire Bible was "somehow historically faked or made up long after the fact", I do believe it contains a great deal of fable and historical fiction.

And I wouldn't put too much stock in Job's "scientific" assertions. I had a buddy who claimed to have thought up a lot of A Brief History of Time before he even read it. Not that I doubt him, but I'd chalk this up more to creative thinking and wild-ass guessing that turned out to be right than a great knowledge of physics.

Seven days seems pretty specific to me.

OOOOoooooo, More theists to play with, Yyyyaaaaaaayyyyyy!! Welcome servent!!

servent wrote

i find one thing most interesting. that is that most of you seem to be under the misguided delusion that the entire bible was somehow historically faked or made up long after the fact.

There has never been a global flood on this earth- how do you explain the great flood.

servent wrote

copies of manuscripts from various ages of history have been found and proved to be 99.5% the same text as any other bible text. nothing has been lost in translation.

Uuuhhhhh, if it is only 99.5% the same as others then something has been lost- the .5%. Besides it's not the stuff that has been lost, it's the stuff that is still there in the Bible that makes me question it.

servent wrote

and do not believe the lie that has deceived you. the bible was the origin of many scientific concepts that we have only recently discovered to be true.

"in the beginning (time), god created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)..."

Or it could mean that the people who wrote it were talking about the earth and the heavens.

servent wrote

so i am looking forward to debating you all on this and bringing anyone i can into the light of truth.

Sorry man, its the same stuff I've heared from theists before.

[Philboid Studge]

Hi Servent (sic? Are you sure you don't mean 'savant'?),

Welcome; we're pleased to have you here. Could you tell us more about how you recently have come to know 'what it really means to be saved'? Is there a testimonial in there? I'd love to hear it.

We atheists undergo a similar phenomenon as being saved -- those of us who were indoctrinated into one religion or another as children, that is, which is most of us -- only we call it 'being freed.'

[Tenspace]

Welcome servent! (what is it with theists and no capital names anyway) :)

Quick, condensed version of what may or may not be said in response to your post:
1. Atheism isn't a religion, it's the lack of one.
2. There is no god, no devil, no heaven, no hell.
3. The factual historical documentation corroborates the historicity of the bible, not the events.
4. wikipedia.org, dictionary.com are two great sources of information
5. Teaching someone by force is immoral
6. Copying and pasting text and passing it off as your own is unethical
7. Don't even think about discussing space, time, or matter without a strong layman's understanding of physics.
8. Most of the atheists here were at one time religious. (38 years of it for me before I gave up God)
9. We have a diverse, uncensored family of contributors - atheists, theists of all flavors, raelians, falun gong practitioners, FSM and SBA adherents.
10. We have contributors who are specialists in debating theology, philosophy, science, and politics. Be prepared!

I offer the above list as a gift, because I'm hoping it will convince you to think twice before broadcasting your position on this message board. It's a two way conversation, and we are quite adept conversationalists.

I'll quickly touch on your comment:

servent wrote

and do not believe the lie that has deceived you. the bible was the origin of many scientific concepts that we have only recently discovered to be true.

"in the beginning (time), god created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)..."

how funny it is that man only recently discovered that time, space and matter all must have appeared at the same origin

Let's see.. the Bible says the Earth was created in seven days by God.
It took a day for Him to create these things: formless void, light, and darkness, along with morning and evening. Oh.. those are called day and night. Therefore day and night are defined not by the Earth's movement about its axis, but by the objects called light and dark that God created.

The next day he created Heaven, aka "the firmament". It divides, to this day, the waters above us and below us. That's what the Earth and sky are really made from, of course. A big job it must've been, since it took all day.

As we all know, he got busy starting on the third day, creating a single dry place surrounded by seas and covered with all kinds of plants.

(The astute reader will note that the Sun and Moon haven't been created yet. Not only does that not bode well for the plants, but it also creates contention with the whole Day/Night thing.)

servent, if you're still with me, read carefully: That's the text of an ancient tribal peoples that wandered the Sinai desert over five thousand years ago. You have been duped into believing it to be literal truth, and the only person who can cure you of the sickness you're about to be accused of having is yourself.

Now, if you want to equate Genesis' account of the creation of one planet, one sun, and one moon, (along with some water and "firmament") with Big Bang Cosmology, I'd be happy to discuss our topics. First, though, I'll need to know which early universe theory you subscribe to: VSL (Varying speed of light) or Inflation, or maybe you're from ol' Fred's Steady State clique? Many scientific theories have implications that I'm sure could be interpreted to associate with the few paragraphs that God uses to describe the entire universe.

Tenspace

[Philboid Studge]

Hey Tenspace, quit bogarting the theists!

Servent welcome and your word inspire me. They put so many holes in Jesus so he could be the life of the party. We'll are be nude in Heaven and when Jesus bends over for the soap; Oh my sweet Jesus.

I think I am going to accept Jesus as my sex slave. I can't wait for the rapture.

[Tenspace]

servent wrote

he stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon nothing

Job 26:7 = He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, [and] hangeth the earth upon nothing

Now, put yourself in the sandals of a man alive seven thousand years ago. Do you really think he was describing the expansion of the universe? He didn't even know that the sky was below him, as well as above.

servent wrote

he has described a circle upon the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness

Funny, I don't remember that one. Isaiah comes to mind, "[It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

Could you provide a reference for your quote?

Tenspace

[Tenspace]

Philboid Studge wrote

Hey Tenspace, quit bogarting the theists!

LOL!

Don't bogart that theist, my friend
Pass him over to me... :D

The Bible is real, I have the gay version but I missed the nude centerfold of Foulwell this month.

The Earth is flat, it was made in 6 days and it's only six thousand years old. Jesus is my invisable friend and he want to defile my seed and put dung on my face, praise Jesus. He holds the whole world in his hands he must be hung lime a comet. When he comes we'll are all be blown away.

[ghoulslime]

Halleluiah! Praise ye Jehovah! Praise ye the Lord! It was the

servent wrote

…this is simply not supported by any rational thinking…

part that made me reconsider the error of my thinking! Thank you, Servent for opening my eyes to the glory of god! I’m just so grateful that I’m going to have to sing a hymn of thanksgiving to God right now, before my testicles explode with excessive gratitude and adoration!

I’m sure that as we speak, angels in heaven are knitting you a green and red snowman sweater for Christmas! I think you are on to something here! Why didn’t Christians think of this approach long ago? Just as sure as Jonah got swallowed up by that nasty whale, you’re going to have Atheists dropping their Voyage of the Beagle where they stand and lining up to receive the Holy Spirit! Why, I’d just betcha Raelians all over the world are quitting their orgies to be baptized for their sins!

LET US PRAY!





Dominus, cuminus in my buminus. In the name of the father and the son and the HOLY ghost.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHMEN!

Thank you! Thank you very much!

This a revival tonight, let make a joyful noise all you lands. Welcome to Iraq where Jesus told W to bomb Saddam.
Ain't God good.

God is real; real insane and full of fudge.

[ghoulslime]

Tenspace wrote

...and the only person who can cure you of the sickness you're about to be accused of having is yourself.

Tenspace

Doctor Cal! Doctor Cal to the emergency room! :o

(The astute reader will note that the Sun and Moon haven't been created yet. Not only does that not bode well for the plants, but it also creates contention with the whole Day/Night thing.)

I will go ahead and jump in here cause I know its coming but God hovering as it mentions would have provided the essential "light" needed again that is using the um "God Factor" ok I am done.