Old 07-15-2010, 03:50 AM   #211
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It does not seem nobler to me that, when an animal takes a bite out of the jugular of another animal, it is done without emotion, but when a human takes a bite out of another human's jugular, it is through malice if not outright hatred.
Small note: An animal does have an emotion, however because it cannot self-reference and communicate an emotion one has to use the term affective state. They do have an emotional context when killing.
(small point of order. hope its not to pedantic. )
Your point is still valid.

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Old 07-15-2010, 04:43 AM   #212
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Small note: An animal does have an emotion, however because it cannot self-reference and communicate an emotion one has to use the term affective state. They do have an emotional context when killing.
(small point of order. hope its not to pedantic. )
It would be lacking in self-awareness of me to think or claim that anyone's writing is too pedantic.

Cal's posts avoid being pedantic by their lack of substantive content.

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Old 07-15-2010, 04:52 AM   #213
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It would be lacking in self-awareness of me to think or claim that anyone's writing is too pedantic.

Cal's posts avoid being pedantic by their lack of substantive content.
When do you think it would be a good time to let Cal know that I'm close to someone with Temporal lobe epilepsy that at no point in their life has had a "god delusion" although at one point did believe in Santa Claus.

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Old 07-15-2010, 05:42 AM   #214
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I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me, than a full frontal lobo ....
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Perhaps, but still a classic.

And troo, although I don't mind full frontal other things.
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Old 07-15-2010, 05:50 AM   #215
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What is "self-determine" ?
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Old 07-15-2010, 05:52 AM   #216
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So riddle me this. In your universe with no free will did you all self-determine to be atheists? Could you have self-determined a different outcome?
I just can't quite make out what it is about this question that sounds a little free willy.......
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Old 07-15-2010, 06:01 AM   #217
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Did the biological system which is your self have an option between two contingent futures, both of which were possible outcomes depending on your evaluation and choice?
I cannot help but be the biological system that I am. That system reacts to its environment in predictable ways, given knowledge of internal states and past experience. *

This biological system just happens to be hard wired to automatically weigh counter points of arguments, to consider sources, and to disparage nonsensical evidence. Those characteristics result in predictable responses to stimuli consisting of unfounded illogical statements, such as sky daddies and re-animated zombie dudes who command us to eat them.

In short, this biological system is smart and skeptical. What is YOUR biological system hard wired to do?


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Given how you've lived your life thus far, thomastwo, can you choose, without threats or prompting, to believe that Muhammad is God's final prophet?

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About your reference to beasties, I like to go bump in the night.
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Small note: An animal does have an emotion, however because it cannot self-reference and communicate an emotion one has to use the term affective state. They do have an emotional context when killing.
(small point of order. hope its not to pedantic. )
Your point is still valid.

Do I detect another physiological psychologist perchance???
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Given how you've lived your life thus far, thomastwo, can you choose, without threats or prompting, to believe that Muhammad is God's final prophet?
Yes, I can. Which is not to say I would of course. But there are many people who have changed religions or become atheist. Such a thing is clearly possible.

The question isn't can the change be made. Rather is the choice determined? Could another choice be made?

What do you think? Is your conscious experience of choosing illusory?

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I'd say you don't exactly choose to believe something. You either believe it or you don't. The reasons why you believe are going to be dependent on a variety of internal and external factors, including critical thinking skills, culture and early indoctrination, to name a few.
I think the evaluation of the reasons, the internal and external factors and the applied skills are the choice.
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Old 07-15-2010, 07:19 AM   #222
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When do you think it would be a good time to let Cal know that I'm close to someone with Temporal lobe epilepsy that at no point in their life has had a "god delusion" although at one point did believe in Santa Claus.
Santa is all about presents so I say, no time like the present!

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Old 07-15-2010, 07:21 AM   #223
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Yes, let's all be very conscious for a moment and self determine ourselves.

Yes, but, what is inside the driver's head, another driver?

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Old 07-15-2010, 07:25 AM   #224
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Who doesn't!




But then again...I love you man!!!
But then again, love is seldom morally neutral or negative so feel free to pile on all the nobility you like.

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