Science Disproves Evolution - Pahu's Pile of Preachy PooPoo

[Kinich Ahau]

West491 wrote

Scientists still haven't observed the end of my wang.

Or your black hole.

[efilnikufecin]

West491 wrote

Scientists still haven't observed the end of my wang.

That's because they were to busy testing these guys...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874247/

My assumption is based on observation, experience and experimentation. Since everything in the universe has been observed to begin, the assumption seems valid the universe itself also began. Those who believe in the Big Bang believe it began there, which indicates they know it had to have begun. All I'm doing is saying that the matter that they think was compressed into the singularity, also had to have begun.

When was everything in the universe "observed" to begin? It is the accepted theory for the universes beginning, not an observation of the beginning. Also, the big bang is not a "belief", (belief is an individual mental representation) it is regarded as an idea, or concept.

Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the law of biogenesis. The theory of evolution conflicts with this scientific law when claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes.

The big bang could also be considered Spontaneous Destruction, giving life in the form of energy to all matter. Dispersal of these once energized materials eventually interacted with each other, bonded and formed all we are able to observe today. So, from that viewpoint, spontaneous destruction caused the spontaneous generation of life.

But, I could be wrong. I did in fact have unprotected pre-marital sexual intercourse, which proves I was seduced by satan with the old "fruit from the tree of life" trick.

Acquired Characteristics

Acquired characteristics—characteristics gained after birth—cannot be inherited (a). For example, large muscles acquired by a man in a weight-lifting program cannot be inherited by his child. Nor did giraffes get long necks because their ancestors stretched to reach high leaves. While almost all evolutionists agree that acquired characteristics cannot be inherited, many unconsciously slip into this false belief. On occasion, Darwin did (b).

However, stressful environments for some animals and plants cause their offspring to express various defenses. New genetic traits are not created; instead, the environment can switch on genetic machinery already present. The marvel is that optimal (c) genetic machinery already exists to handle some contingencies, not that time, the environment, or “a need” can produce the machinery (d).

Also, rates of variation within a species (microevolution, not macroevolution) increase enormously when organisms are under stress, such as starvation (e). Stressful situations would have been widespread in the centuries after a global flood.

a. The false belief that acquired characteristics can be inherited, called Lamarckism, would mean that the environment can directly and beneficially change egg and sperm cells. Only a few biologists try to justify Lamarckism. The minor acquired characteristics they cite have no real significance for any present theory of organic evolution. For example, see “Lamarck, Dr. Steel and Plagiarism,” Nature, Vol. 337, 12 January 1989, pp. 101–102.

b. “This hypothesis [which Darwin called pangenesis] maintained the idea of inheritance of acquired characteristics.” A. M. Winchester, Genetics, 5th edition (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1977), p. 24.

c. In writing about this amazing capability, Queitsch admits:

“... it is a perplexing evolutionary question how a population might move to a different local optimum without an intervening period of reduced fitness (adaptive valley).” Christine Queitsch et al., “Hsp90 as a Capacitor of Phenotypic Variation,” Nature, Vol. 417, 6 June 2002, p. 623.

d. “... genes that were switched on in the parent to generate the defensive response are also switched on in the offspring.” Erkki Haukioja, “Bite the Mother, Fight the Daughter,” Nature, Vol. 401, 2 September 1999, p. 23.

“... non-lethal exposure of an animal to carnivores, and a plant to a herbivore, not only induces a defence, but causes the attacked organisms to produce offspring that are better defended than offspring from unthreatened parents.” Anurag A. Agrawal et al., “Transgenerational Induction of Defences in Animals and Plants,” Nature, Vol. 401, 2 September 1999, p. 60.

“... hidden genetic diversity exists within species and can erupt when [environmental] conditions change.” John Travis, “Evolutionary Shocker?: Stressful Conditions May Trigger Plants and Animals to Unleash New Forms Quickly,” Science News, Vol. 161, 22 June 2002, p. 394.

“Environmental stress can reveal genetic variants, presumably because it compromises buffering systems. If selected for, these uncovered phenotypes can lead to heritable changes in plants and animals (assimilation).” Queitsch et al., p. 618.

e. Marina Chicurel, “Can Organisms Speed Their Own Evolution?” Science, Vol. 292, 8 June 2001, pp. 1824–1827.

[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown]

[Smellyoldgit]

Place yer bets folks, I'll wager it'll be Walt 'Retard' Brown's Hydroplate 'Theory' next - that's after Poohoo has explained his goddidit creation story of course. Twat.

[Demigod79]

Like I said, he simply copies and pastes random stuff from creationist sites. You can expect him to post a new over every week or so. No use debating either since he can't debate to save his life and basically just reiterates standard creationist responses.

Mendel’s Laws

Mendel’s laws of genetics and their modern-day refinements explain almost all physical variations occurring within species. Mendel discovered that genes (units of heredity) are merely reshuffled from one generation to another. Different combinations are formed, not different genes. The different combinations produce many variations within each kind of life, as in the dog family.


Figure 3: Dog Variability. When bred for certain traits, dogs become different and distinctive. This is a common example of microevolution—changes in size, shape, and color—or minor genetic alterations. It is not macroevolution: an upward, beneficial increase in complexity, as evolutionists claim happened millions of times between bacteria and man. Macroevolution has never been observed in any breeding experiment.

A logical consequence of Mendel’s laws is that there are limits to such variation (a). Breeding experiments (b) and common observations (c) also confirm these boundaries.

a. Monroe W. Strickberger, Genetics, 2nd edition (New York: Macmillan Publishing Co., 1976), p. 812.

Alfred Russel Wallace, who independently proposed the theory of organic evolution slightly before Charles Darwin, was opposed to Mendel’s laws of genetics. Wallace knew Mendel’s experiments showed that the general characteristics of an organism remained within distinct boundaries. In a letter to Dr. Archdall Reid on 28 December 1909, Wallace wrote:

“But on the general relation of Mendelism to Evolution I have come to a very definite conclusion. This is, that it has no relation whatever to the evolution of species or higher groups, but is really antagonistic to such evolution! The essential basis of evolution, involving as it does the most minute and all-pervading adaptation to the whole environment, is extreme and ever-present plasticity, as a condition of survival and adaptation. But the essence of Mendelian characters is their rigidity. They are transmitted without variation, and therefore, except by the rarest of accidents, can never become adapted to ever varying conditions.” James Marchant, Letters and Reminiscences (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1916), p. 340.

b. “Every series of breeding experiments that has ever taken place has established a finite limit to breeding possibilities.” Francis Hitching, The Neck of the Giraffe: Where Darwin Went Wrong (New Haven, Connecticut: Ticknor and Fields, 1982), p. 55.

“All competent biologists acknowledge the limited nature of the variation breeders can produce, although they do not like to discuss it much when grinding the evolutionary ax.” William R. Fix, The Bone Peddlers: Selling Evolution (New York: Macmillan Publishing Co., 1984), pp. 184–185.

“A rule that all breeders recognize, is that there are fixed limits to the amount of change that can be produced.” Lane P. Lester and Raymond G. Bohlin, The Natural Limits to Biological Change (Grand Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, 1984), p. 96.

Norman Macbeth, Darwin Retried: An Appeal to Reason (Ipswich, Massachusetts: Gambit, 1971), p. 36.

William J. Tinkle, Heredity (Houston: St. Thomas Press, 1967), pp. 55–56.

c. “...the distinctions of specific forms and their not being blended together by innumerable transitional links, is a very obvious difficulty.” Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, 6th edition (New York: Macmillan Publishing Co., 1927), p. 322.

“Indeed, the isolation and distinctness of different types of organisms and the existence of clear discontinuities in nature have been self-evident for centuries, even to non-biologists.” Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (London: Burnett Books, 1985), p. 105.

[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown]

[ghoulslime]

Pahu wrote

Acquired Characteristics

Acquired characteristics—characteristics gained after birth—cannot be inherited (a). For example, large muscles acquired by a man in a weight-lifting program cannot be inherited by his child. Nor did giraffes get long necks because their ancestors stretched to reach high leaves. While almost all evolutionists agree that acquired characteristics cannot be inherited, many unconsciously slip into this false belief. On occasion, Darwin did (b).

Nor did giraffes get long necks because their ancestors stretched to reach high leaves?



Does anybody even want to try and explain to this imbecile how Natural Selection works?

For other imbeciles who might be reading and wondering, let me give you the simple version. If there are many ancestors of giraffes who are eating from the same trees, when all of the tree leaves on the bottom branches are eaten, which of the giraffes will be able to continue eating more leaves which are higher up the tree? Hint: long necks allow for higher reach.

Long necks were advantageous to the ancestors of modern giraffes. Especially during a long drought, the longer the neck, the more food a giraffe found available, higher in the trees. Those giraffes which could not eat, died. Those which survived, bore baby giraffes with longer and longer necks.

Quiz: What do you think happened to all of the slow gazelles?

[ghoulslime]

Pahu wrote

Mendel’s Laws

Mendel’s laws of genetics and their modern-day refinements explain almost all physical variations occurring within species. Mendel discovered that genes (units of heredity) are merely reshuffled from one generation to another. Different combinations are formed, not different genes. The different combinations produce many variations within each kind of life, as in the dog family.

Seriously, Pooho, pseudo science only works on stupid people. Cutting and pasting lots and lots of important-sounding things about Evolution will do what exactly? Evolution is a fact. People who reject Evolution are imbeciles. You are one of these imbeciles. What did you hope to achieve here?

[Demigod79]

He's been doing this for a very long time, basically wasting his life trolling on internet forums, posting useless garbage that no one cares about. What a sad, sad waste of a life... (honestly, I could not think of anything so pathetic). I know many atheists here were looking for a good theist thrashing but Poopoo isn't one of those intelligent theists who can hold a conversation. I'm afraid that evolution has left him behind, giving him just enough intelligence to troll on forums before heading back to the trees for more bananas.

[Smellyoldgit]

He does indeed appear to be a sad little incessant fuckwit. Just think what might have been possible if all the efforts throughout history to shore up the biblical bullshit had been used to properly advance real knowledge. A sad waste of many lives for sure.
Still, I'll do my duty by pointing, laughing and poking with a stick till he fucks off and annoys somebody else.
.... and why no poodles? I like poodles.

[Kinich Ahau]

ghoulslime; wrote

Quiz: What do you think happened to all of the slow gazelles?

They flunked school and became security guards?

ghoulslime wrote

Nor did giraffes get long necks because their ancestors stretched to reach high leaves?



Does anybody even want to try and explain to this imbecile how Natural Selection works?

For other imbeciles who might be reading and wondering, let me give you the simple version. If there are many ancestors of giraffes who are eating from the same trees, when all of the tree leaves on the bottom branches are eaten, which of the giraffes will be able to continue eating more leaves which are higher up the tree? Hint: long necks allow for higher reach.

Long necks were advantageous to the ancestors of modern giraffes. Especially during a long drought, the longer the neck, the more food a giraffe found available, higher in the trees. Those giraffes which could not eat, died. Those which survived, bore baby giraffes with longer and longer necks.

Quiz: What do you think happened to all of the slow gazelles?

The giraffe is an unusual animal that contains an interesting design mechanism. Did you know that a full grown giraffe's heart weighs over 24 pounds and pumps 16 gallons a minute? Because the giraffe's heart is much larger than his head, a series of special one-way, back-flow preventer valves are needed in the neck to regulate the flow of blood to the head, especially when the giraffe is bending down to get that much needed drink of water. Without these valves, the immense blood pressure coupled with gravity would make for one nasty headache and other such repercussions. Elastic blood vessels in the giraffe's head allow harboring of enough blood to prevent the giraffe from passing out when bent in this position.

The creationist points out that this intricate design mechanism is, you guessed it, a design! The evolutionist will have you believe that this system evolved with time, that eventually a giraffe mutated merrily along until the valves properly formed in the neck and the elastic blood vessels sufficiently formed in the head (along with other details left out here).

But wild imagination coupled with extravagant story-telling ability is exactly what the evolutionist must employ to explain how intricate, inter-dependent systems such as the Giraffe's capillary system can gradually evolve over time!

To say every living thing came about via mindless random processes requires a faith that far exceeds belief in a Supreme Creator. As the renown British physicist Lord Kelvin once wrote: "Overwhelming strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us ... The atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I cannot put it into words." [Lord Kelvin, Vict. Inst., 124, p267]

[http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/giraffe1.htm]

[Philboid Studge]

Pahu wrote

The giraffe is an unusual animal that contains an interesting design mechanism. Did you know that a full grown giraffe's heart weighs over 24 pounds and pumps 16 gallons a minute? Because the giraffe's heart is much larger than his head, a series of special one-way, back-flow preventer valves are needed in the neck to regulate the flow of blood to the head, especially when the giraffe is bending down to get that much needed drink of water. Without these valves, the immense blood pressure coupled with gravity would make for one nasty headache and other such repercussions. Elastic blood vessels in the giraffe's head allow harboring of enough blood to prevent the giraffe from passing out when bent in this position.

The creationist points out that this intricate design mechanism is, you guessed it, a design! The evolutionist will have you believe that this system evolved with time, that eventually a giraffe mutated merrily along until the valves properly formed in the neck and the elastic blood vessels sufficiently formed in the head (along with other details left out here).

But wild imagination coupled with extravagant story-telling ability is exactly what the evolutionist must employ to explain how intricate, inter-dependent systems such as the Giraffe's capillary system can gradually evolve over time!

To say every living thing came about via mindless random processes requires a faith that far exceeds belief in a Supreme Creator. As the renown British physicist Lord Kelvin once wrote: "Overwhelming strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us ... The atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I cannot put it into words." [Lord Kelvin, Vict. Inst., 124, p267]

[http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/giraffe1.htm]

Pahu, did you write this happy horseshit in the first place? If not, put it block quotes and credit the real idiot who did. Your link FAIL might have been adequate if you'd A), put the link under the passage in question, and 2.) hadn't fucked up the actual link.

Demented fuckwits I can tolerate, but plagiarists should hang. And ball sacs who plagiarise idiotic bullshit have at least two problems.

[ghoulslime]

Pahu wrote

The creationist points out that this intricate design mechanism is, you guessed it, a design! The evolutionist will have you believe that this system evolved with time, that eventually a giraffe mutated merrily along until the valves properly formed in the neck and the elastic blood vessels sufficiently formed in the head (along with other details left out here).

The creationists also scratch their assholes, sniff their fingers, and think they have found GAWD. Evolutionists on the other hand, (AKA science) document evidence of the evolution of a giraffe. Where is the evidence presented by imbeciles who still cling to nonsensical fairy tales from the Bronze Age about magical gods making shit in 6 days and so forth?

If you reject Darwinian Evolution, you are an uneducated poo stain on the underwear of life. You are indeed, a fucking imbecile.

Seriously, Pooho, do you really think the world is only 6000 years old, that your invisible friend made the first man and woman out of mud, and that the Sun revolves around the Earth? Up the medication, you loopy lobotomy patient.

[ghoulslime]

Philboid Studge wrote

Pahu, did you write this happy horseshit in the first place? If not, put it block quotes and credit the real idiot who did. Your link FAIL might have been adequate if you'd A), put the link under the passage in question, and 2.) hadn't fucked up the actual link.

Demented fuckwits I can tolerate, but plagiarists should hang. And ball sacs who plagiarise idiotic bullshit have at least two problems.

The pathetic dork can't even drip his own salty ball sack wisdom on our forum.