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Old 10-23-2008, 04:05 PM   #196
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But isn't that true of every great text? The question is why mold your life around the Bible, and not, say, The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin?
My answer is because I've tested the Bible against it's claims and found it works for me. Of course I can also learn something from autobiographies and frequently do.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:07 PM   #197
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Sounds like you're growing weary of us, thomastwo. I don't blame you. For the life of me, I can't imagine why theists even bother to come here. We don't speak the same language when it comes to the subject of the alleged supernatural, as you can clearly see.
We don't speak the same language and we often talk past each other, but I come here because it's one of the few places where my beliefs will be robustly challenged. That's something I welcome.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:08 PM   #198
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It's a valid question if you think that amputees are in need of "healing". If you actually think that they are people in their own right, and not some kind of second-rate sympathy case then the question isn't valid. You just need to decide which camp you are in.
Do you think people with cancer are in need of second-rate sympathy? Lots of folks pray for them to be cured, too. How about folks with alopecia? I've heard of devout folks praying for those so afflicted to have their hair grow back. Are these people being silly in your opinion?

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Old 10-23-2008, 04:10 PM   #199
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We don't speak the same language and we often talk past each other, but I come here because it's one of the few places where my beliefs will be robustly challenged. That's something I welcome.
OK. Though, I gotta be honest: You don't sound like you welcome these challenges to me. You sound frustrated and not a little bit annoyed, if I'm being honest.

But, hey, I sound like that, too, when I engage theists. Still, something compels me to do it anyway.

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Old 10-23-2008, 04:13 PM   #200
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It's easy to work it out Irreligious. Go and check out all my posts on the forum (including the original thomas) and work out if I really changed any opinions or learnt anything over the last four years. I think I did.

Now that's not to say that I don't test my positions by putting up the best argument I can and trying to see how well it works.
Why not just share with us an example where you've changed you opinion based on something some atheist here said to you? It might take me hours to ferret that out for myself.

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Old 10-23-2008, 04:14 PM   #201
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Do you think people with cancer are in need of second-rate sympathy? Lots of folks pray for them to be cured, too. How about folks with alopecia? I've heard of devout folks praying for those so afflicted to have their hair grow back. Are these people being silly in your opinion?
I think people with diseases are in need of healing and medication. I don't think physically disabled people have a disease, and I think it's offensive to them to suggest that they do.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:14 PM   #202
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It's a valid question if you think that amputees are in need of "healing". If you actually think that they are people in their own right, and not some kind of second-rate sympathy case then the question isn't valid. You just need to decide which camp you are in.
I agree with Thomas2.

Many good people enjoy watching amputees have sex. I don't know what kind of God would take pornographic freak show oddities away from us.

Certainly not a loving one.

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Old 10-23-2008, 04:16 PM   #203
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Was that an attempt at humour ? I think you're proving my point
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:21 PM   #204
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I think people with diseases are in need of healing and medication. I don't think physically disabled people have a disease, and I think it's offensive to them to suggest that they do.
Do you admonish other Christians who pray for these people to be cured of their ailments? I ask, because it seems to me that would be more appropriate than admonishing me and others here for asking why they pray for these things at all and give God credit when, for instance, a person who appears to be afflicted with alopecia suddenly grows their hair back or another person is inexplicably cured after being diagnosed with a malignant tumor.

If an invisible and omnipotent God can do that, I still say it's reasonable to ask why he doesn't perform more obvious miracles. Your answer, thus far, seems to be that I have no reasonable right to ask.

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Old 10-23-2008, 04:23 PM   #205
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Sorry it took so long to get back to, you ThomasTwo, first of all my nurse had to take me to the bathroom, second it takes me a long time to write with a mouth stick.

But since I see that you like to watch amputee sex, I can give some links if you're interested. They're fairly inexpensive, and it's very re-affirming for the models to know that you enjoy watching them. I have an "in" with Margarita. She's not only a triple-amp, but she's also a midget. She usually doesn't take new clientelle, but I can talk to her for you.

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Old 10-23-2008, 04:30 PM   #206
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Do you admonish other Christians who pray for these people to be cured of their ailments? I ask, because it seems to me that would be more appropriate than admonishing me and others here for asking why they pray for these things at all and give God credit when, for instance, a person who appears to be afflicted with alopecia suddenly grows their hair back or another person is inexplicably cured after being diagnosed with a malignant tumor.

If an invisible and omnipotent God can do that, I still say it's reasonable to ask why he doesn't perform more obvious miracles. Your answer, thus far, seems to be that I have no reasonable right to ask.
I just find your language of "these people" and "ailments" very telling of your position. I absolutely disagree that amputees need healing.

You're trying to generalise the conversation, but my point is a simple one. Amputees don't need healing. The common atheist position that they do and that God is somehow deficient in not doing that is demeaning.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:31 PM   #207
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Sorry it took so long to get back to, you ThomasTwo, first of all my nurse had to take me to the bathroom, second it takes me a long time to write with a mouth stick.

But since I see that you like to watch amputee sex, I can give some links if you're interested. They're fairly inexpensive, and it's very re-affirming for the models to know that you enjoy watching them. I have an "in" with Margarita. She's not only a triple-amp, but she's also a midget. She usually doesn't take new clientelle, but I can talk to her for you.

Welcome to the community.
Unlike you I don't think that disabled people are freaks.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:44 PM   #208
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I just find your language of "these people" and "ailments" very telling of your position. I absolutely disagree that amputees need healing.
Does it tell you that I think I am incapable of losing a limb or digit? That I think it couldn't happen to someone I love?

Does it tell you that I've never been seriously ill in my life or that I think I will never be diagnosed with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, a stroke, Lou Gherig's disease, arthritis, alopecia, male-pattern baldness, shingles, a hammertoe or bunions? Dude, I'm 50 years old. I'm due for something not too wonderful real soon.

Again, I think you're obfuscating, even though you insist you are not.

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You're trying to generalise the conversation, but my point is a simple one. Amputees don't need healing. The common atheist position that they do and that God is somehow deficient in not doing that is demeaning.
No, I'm asking a straightforward question to theists who make the claim that God cures other ailments. I think I already "know" why God does not "cure" amputees. Because God ain't got nothin' to do with it, or anyone's disappearing malignant tumor or a reversal of anyone's alopecia symptoms.

In other words, it's a rhetorical question, designed for people who share your worldview regarding the alleged supernatural. It doesn't surprise me that you would find the question offensive. It's a question that's pretty much designed to offend and worse, there's no defense for it.

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Old 10-23-2008, 04:55 PM   #209
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OK. Though, I gotta be honest: You don't sound like you welcome these challenges to me. You sound frustrated and not a little bit annoyed, if I'm being honest.

But, hey, I sound like that, too, when I engage theists. Still, something compels me to do it anyway.

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Old 10-23-2008, 04:57 PM   #210
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Unlike you I don't think that disabled people are freaks.
Why don't you saw off both your legs with a chain saw? You'd weigh less. And you'd get those sweet handicap parking spaces.

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