10-19-2013, 01:31 PM
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#406
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Therein lies the problem. Okay. one of the problems. Useful conversations don't involve each party trying to tell the other what they think.
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I'm not telling you think, I'm telling you why you position makes no sense.On a philosophical level who is active in lacking belief in "x".
You may dislike religion and believe in is a/the cause of all the world's ills, this is an opinion. This does not justify your active lack of belief.
I think you actually negate the existence of any form of god (defined or undefined) which is the only time your position appears of being an atheist has any relevance. Otherwise you may as well identify as a racist who lacks belief in races being equal.
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Is that the one about Neil Degrasse-Tyson saying he doesn't like being called an atheist? Because if it is then I don't really care what he likes to be called. His opinion on the atheist label is his opinion, just as all his other opinions are his. Just as all your opinions are yours and all my opinions are mine. If he says something that happens to influence an opinion of mine then I'll alter mine. If you say something that happens to influence an opinion of mine then I'll alter mine.
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Yep don't revert back to "opinions" as being the root cause. If you don't know your breed of atheist claims your position to be the only logically sound one, therefore an opinion is not relevant.
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However, just because he says something doesn't mean I must automatically agree with it. We're not dogmatic like that, brah.
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You're highly dogmatic. Hence the youtube link.
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It's a complicated system where someobody cycles through the alphabet and I blow a bubble when they land on the letter I want. Don't get me started on how I get commas and apostrophes.
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How do you remember what it is?
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10-19-2013, 01:37 PM
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#407
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ILOVEJESUS wrote
No , lack of evidence...or rather NO evidence is just fine old bean. You can add philosophically unlikely too. As long as religion plays a major part in how children are educated and countries are run, I will stand strongly against it......unless I'm proven wrong.
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Whoops you just interwined 2 points. With the "NO evidence", you still don't know what you've assumed, whoops based on your epistemology...again..
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10-19-2013, 01:51 PM
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#408
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ILOVEJESUS wrote
What? Your silly question that leads us to think we believe that we disbelieve? Why would I answer that? It is stupid. Like answering why does unicorn hair fall out in the spring? The only reason people like the atheists here are so active, I presume, is due to the enormous influence this superstitious twaddle plays on education and the running of quite important countries. If it were a private thing it would be worth no more than some simple passing mockery perhaps.
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It is stupid, your belief justifies why you disbelieve hence epistemology.
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10-20-2013, 03:34 AM
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#409
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selliedjoup wrote
I'm not telling you think, I'm telling you why you position makes no sense.On a philosophical level who is active in lacking belief in "x".
You may dislike religion and believe in is a/the cause of all the world's ills, this is an opinion. This does not justify your active lack of belief.
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You're right. Disliking religion would in no way justify not believing in a supernatural being. Thank your god that I don't do that.
I disbelive because I don't like religion.
I disbelieve AND I don't like religion. Two seperate things. One does not justify the other, nor are they mutually inclusive. You could believe and not like religion, and you could also disbelieve and like religion.
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I think you actually negate the existence of any form of god (defined or undefined) which is the only time your position appears of being an atheist has any relevance. Otherwise you may as well identify as a racist who lacks belief in races being equal.
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I'll go you one further and say that I don't believe in biological races at all. Race is determined by society, not biology.
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Yep don't revert back to "opinions" as being the root cause. If you don't know your breed of atheist claims your position to be the only logically sound one, therefore an opinion is not relevant.
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The fuck you talking 'bout
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How do you remember what it is?
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How do I remember what what is?
Michael...you are correct
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10-20-2013, 11:53 AM
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#410
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selliedjoup wrote
Whoops you just interwined 2 points. With the "NO evidence", you still don't know what you've assumed, whoops based on your epistemology...again..
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No, I know what I have seen. If you are unable to decipher what is real and what isn't I suggest you seek help my son. The points made are not intertwined but stand on their own merits. No evidence for and philosophically unlikely. I cannot think of where else religion can hide. Please enlighten me if you do.
A theist is just an atheist with a space in it.
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10-20-2013, 11:56 AM
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#411
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selliedjoup wrote
It is stupid, your belief justifies why you disbelieve hence epistemology.
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You are embarrassing yourself now dumb arse. Not knowing something does not automatically mean it exists. Learning more about that you may not know, and seeing its chance of existence disappear is more in line with how I became atheist. The fact you cannot or will not see this is why you are an irritating bum skid.
A theist is just an atheist with a space in it.
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10-20-2013, 11:30 PM
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#412
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Michael wrote
You're right. Disliking religion would in no way justify not believing in a supernatural being. Thank your god that I don't do that.
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I love how how you consistently fail to recognise any correlation between the two. Your perspective is woefully simplistic and unaware, it's laughable. If you admit you have a basic problem distinguishing your own emotions and how you've applied this, it's your first step to recovering from pretending you have some idea with regards to answering the "meaning of life" question.
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I disbelive because I don't like religion.
I disbelieve AND I don't like religion. Two seperate things. One does not justify the other, nor are they mutually inclusive. You could believe and not like religion, and you could also disbelieve and like religion.
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You could, but in your case neither apply do they? Why do you pretend your emotions have nothing to do with your perspective, do you think it would somehow devalue your logic? It's worthless anyway, only those who espouse the new atheist ethos are the only ones who think its priceless. Most self respecting people leave they don't know alone, you feel the need to go one step further while absolving yourself of making a claim. WHich is it to be, time to decide?
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I'll go you one further and say that I don't believe in biological races at all. Race is determined by society, not biology.
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Oh you're one of those "society" people. I just lost more respect for you. you.You mean to say there's no genetic distinction between groups of people. Do you think it's a coincidence that people native to areas lookalike? Do you think everything is a construct of society and people? And if so, how does something observed by man (i.e. biology) manage to escape your societal accusations, is this because we seek to appear impartial, therefore we are? I love your perspective, it's so simplistic.
Sadly but expectedly you missed/dodged the point. You seek to obtain all the benefits/baggage of being an atheist without having to backup a thing. It's a sidestep where you fall over and flail haplessly like a fish.
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The fuck you talking 'bout
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Promoting the "it's just an opinion man" while also saying yours is the only logically sounds one is bullshit and a cop out.
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How do I remember what what is?
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That's better, I wouldn't expect a goldfish to remember what we were discussing let alone a system to allow them to type.
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10-20-2013, 11:32 PM
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ILOVEJESUS wrote
No, I know what I have seen. If you are unable to decipher what is real and what isn't I suggest you seek help my son. The points made are not intertwined but stand on their own merits. No evidence for and philosophically unlikely. I cannot think of where else religion can hide. Please enlighten me if you do.
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I know you atheists create an "us and them" divide, however this is your problem. I don't need to, nor am looking to defend religion. Please enlighten me how you've managed to demonstrate that something is "unlikely". I would assume this to mean a god/creator of some sort, let me know what evidence you have to demonstrate that existence is "likely' to be random. What's that you've got none? You have no business defining what is "unlikely".
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10-20-2013, 11:33 PM
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#414
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ILOVEJESUS wrote
You are embarrassing yourself now dumb arse. Not knowing something does not automatically mean it exists. Learning more about that you may not know, and seeing its chance of existence disappear is more in line with how I became atheist. The fact you cannot or will not see this is why you are an irritating bum skid.
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What the devout see as embarrassing is of no interest or concern to me at all. You know how you feel when a theist tells you're going to hell? Same thing for me when you say I'm embarrassing myself. I think it's sweet though.
Let me tell you one last time, you've assumed you can observe everything, as it is. You've assumed the by-products of a system can assess, analyse, observe the creation of the system. You don't lack any belief that it can assessed absolutely. Why - as it suits your purposes and justifies your emotional ties to your pre-determined conclusion.
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10-21-2013, 12:33 AM
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Edit: Hold on, I'm redoing this.
Michael...you are correct
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10-21-2013, 01:13 AM
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selliedjoup wrote
Oh you're one of those "society" people. I just lost more respect for you. you.You mean to say there's no genetic distinction between groups of people. Do you think it's a coincidence that people native to areas lookalike? Do you think everything is a construct of society and people? And if so, how does something observed by man (i.e. biology) manage to escape your societal accusations, is this because we seek to appear impartial, therefore we are? I love your perspective, it's so simplistic.
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Oh, you're knowledgeable about races? Man, this should be a snap for you then.
I've got pictures of 8 people. Let's try and figure out what race they belong to and what areas they must be native to. I'll have a crack, you tell me if you agree or not. If you disagree, tell me where they must go and why.
We'll go left to right and call these 1 and 2.
African, yeah? So from Africa?
So, 3 and 4.
Hmmm. 3 could be English. So White?
What about 4? I don't know. She could go a few ways. What do you think?
4 and 5.
Arabs? Egypt possibly.
Agree or disagree, and why?
Hmmm.. Well, 8 looks Spanish, but what about 7? I can't tell. They probably aren't from the same place, right?
What do you think? Afterall, people from the same place look the same, yeah?
Give me your opinion on their races, and why. Actually, whilst doing this I had a bit of trouble coming up with the official names of races. But since it's a biological thing, there must be official names for them. Biology being constant wherever you go, unlike society. Care to help me out there? After-all, you seem to know so much about it.
Michael...you are correct
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10-21-2013, 04:59 AM
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#417
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Stop the Holy See men!
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10-21-2013, 05:36 AM
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#418
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selliedjoup wrote
I know you atheists create an "us and them" divide, however this is your problem. I don't need to, nor am looking to defend religion. Please enlighten me how you've managed to demonstrate that something is "unlikely". I would assume this to mean a god/creator of some sort, let me know what evidence you have to demonstrate that existence is "likely' to be random. What's that you've got none? You have no business defining what is "unlikely".
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Like I said, if you are unable to see reality, or make judgements based on the evidence you see and learn....it is you who has a serious issue. Why not bow down to invisible mass less Martian dancing monkey's? You cannot prove they don't exist can you?
A theist is just an atheist with a space in it.
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10-21-2013, 05:40 AM
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What the devout see as embarrassing is of no interest or concern to me at all. You know how you feel when a theist tells you're going to hell? Same thing for me when you say I'm embarrassing myself. I think it's sweet though.
Let me tell you one last time, you've assumed you can observe everything, as it is. You've assumed the by-products of a system can assess, analyse, observe the creation of the system. You don't lack any belief that it can assessed absolutely. Why - as it suits your purposes and justifies your emotional ties to your pre-determined conclusion.
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No you are trying to create a little soapbox for yourself and stand different to the others here who rationally have come to the conclusion that no evidence for a God exists, therefore Gods having any influence at all on today's society is a bad thing. You either do this due to being mentally challenged or to be argumentative. The jury is out there.
Let me tell you. I haven't assumed anything of the sort. I HAVE SEEN NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP THE CLAIMS OF SO CALLED RELIGIONS AND CHARLATANS!! Nothing more. That makes me an atheist. You want absolute knowledge, define what that is first.
A theist is just an atheist with a space in it.
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10-21-2013, 07:35 AM
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#420
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Ah, the girl friends from Jerry 50/50's black book! Wow, that's hot!
The Leprechauns do not forbid the drawing of Their images, as long as we color within the lines. ~ Ghoulslime H Christ, Prophet, Seer, Revelator, and Masturbator
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