04-25-2005, 06:17 PM
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dd1989 wrote
Ok maybe we do all rot in the ground, our physical being decomposes to nothing. But what happens to memories, our personality and the thoughts within us.
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We know that the body begins to decompose as soon as we are dead. Depending on the embalming, where (and if) we're burried and countless other variables, the physical body can be gone in a matter of months or last thousands of years (King Tut or the Iceman) Why is it not possible for our spiritual self (the mind, memories and thought) to go throught the same decomposition process? Now, don't go nuts about having a spiritual side, we all have it. It has nothing to do with god or anything like that. We can preceive 4 dimentions (time height, width and depth) but there are actually up to 11 dimentions in the phsical universe according the the various string theory advocates. This is strictly physics, not religion. These are what I refer to as the spiritual dimentions. Just some food for thought and conversation.
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04-25-2005, 08:06 PM
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Spiritual Atheist wrote
We can preceive 4 dimentions (time height, width and depth) but there are actually up to 11 dimentions in the phsical universe according the the various string theory advocates. This is strictly physics, not religion. These are what I refer to as the spiritual dimentions. Just some food for thought and conversation.
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Some theories require 22 (or more) dimensions to work. String Theory cannot even be tested as of yet -- our microscopes cannot probe down to the lengths the supposed "strings" exist at. I've also read in a book (I read so many.. don't ask for the title) that there were a speculated 10 dimensions at the beginning of the Big Bang. The 4 we have now are merely vibrations from those dimensions. If I can remember correctly, the other 6 dimesions are "curled" up into a "ball", at the Planck length. Meh. And so goes the speculation we like to call theoretical physics. (gotta love it)
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04-26-2005, 08:02 AM
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Hey..guess my answer didnt post. Anyways..it went something like this, but better I'm sure. How can you say that emotions,soul, feelings, smells, etc CANT be backed up or transferred to some place else. Emails now can send smells. Our technology is improving all the time and discoveries made. Man uses only a small % of his brain's capacity..so how can we know it all. Matter can change form but never distroyed science says. If our body is a great % H2O, when we pass..water can change to hydrogen and oxegen..go to the air, bone can mix to the ground and become earth, our electrical energy can be transferred elsewhere. When the brain dies..no more electrical energy in the body, but may go somewhere else. All computers are binary, doesn't mean our brains, emotions and other senses are strictly binary and that there is no other possible means in this world of converting or transporting them to another form or place. Man has not mastered all he answers and technology that makes up this world and our existance yet. People when silent movies came out would never conceive that there could also be sound and color. Small minds to say "Can't be done". Ever hear of when someone was under a car pinned, and miraculously, a bystander lifts the car up off the person..sub-human event. Maybe our creator sends Extral electricity to the that person's brain to transfer to muscles and nerves, to help give extra strength to lift up that car. If it can be downloaded to a person, why can't it be uploaded? It is foolish to state that this is not possible and foolish for anyone to say or think that man has all the answers to discredit that this is possible. Man thought the world was flat, never conceived a plane could fly or a boat could float.
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04-26-2005, 08:07 AM
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Hey..guess my answer didnt post. Anyways..it went something like this. How can you say that emotions,soul, feelings, smells, etc CANT be backed up or transferred to some place else. Emails now can send smells. Our technology is improving all the time and discoveries made. Man uses only a small % of his brain's capacity..so how can we know it all. Matter can change form but never distroyed science says. If our body is a great % H2O, when we pass..water can change to hydrogen and oxegen..go to the air, bone can mix to the ground and become earth, our electrical energy can be transferred elsewhere. When the brain dies..no more electrical energy in the body, but may go somewhere else. All computers are binary, doesn't mean our brains, emotions and other senses are strictly binary and that there is no other possible means in this world of converting or transporting them to another form or place. Man has not mastered all he answers and technology that makes up this world and our existance yet. People when silent movies came out would never conceive that there could also be sound and color. Small minds to say "Can't be done". Ever hear of when someone was under a car pinned, and miraculously, a bystander lifts the car up off the person..sub-human event. Maybe our creator sends Extral electricity to the that person's brain to transfer to muscles and nerves, to help give extra strength to lift up that car. If it can be downloaded to a person, why can't it be uploaded? It is foolish to state that this is not possible and foolish for anyone to say or think that man has all the answers to discredit that this is possible. Man thought the world was flat, never conceived a plane could fly or a boat could float.
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04-26-2005, 08:25 AM
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Response to the following:
dd1989 wrote:
Ok maybe we do all rot in the ground, our physical being decomposes to nothing. But what happens to memories, our personality and the thoughts within us.
We know that the body begins to decompose as soon as we are dead. Depending on the embalming, where (and if) we're burried and countless other variables, the physical body can be gone in a matter of months or last thousands of years (King Tut or the Iceman) Why is it not possible for our spiritual self (the mind, memories and thought) to go throught the same decomposition process? Now, don't go nuts about having a spiritual side, we all have it. It has nothing to do with god or anything like that. We can preceive 4 dimentions (time height, width and depth) but there are actually up to 11 dimentions in the phsical universe according the the various string theory advocates. This is strictly physics, not religion. These are what I refer to as the spiritual dimentions. Just some food for thought and conversation.
RESPONSE: JUST BECAUSE A COMPUTER CAN BE PROVED THAT IT IS STRICTLY 0'S AND 1'S..WITH SCIENCE ..DOESN'T MEAN THAT MAN DID NOT CREATE THE COMPUTER, USING SCIENCE AS A TOOL OF HIS CREATION. THERE IS A CREATOR OF THE COMPUTER AND THE CREATOR IS MAN. JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN PROVE SOMETHING WITH PHYSICS AND SAY IT IS STRICTLY PHYSICS..A TOOL, DOESN'T MEAN THAT SOMEONE OR SOMETHING ELSE CAN NOT USE PHYSICS AS A TOOL.
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04-26-2005, 08:54 AM
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The Original Rhinoqurilla
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Ok, Backup, think of it this way. On your computer you have various programs and files, which are nothing more than electrical signals. In your brain, you have memories, beliefs, etc., which are nothing more than electrical signals. I take a hammer to a computer, effectively destroying it. Where are the programs, files, etc. that were contained in the computers "memory"? They are lost, plain and simple. The same is with the brain. I take a hammer to a brain and mash it up, the electrical signals stop, and thus the memories, personal identity, etc., of the particular brain ceases to exist.
Rhinoq
Wait just a minute-You expect me to believe-That all this misbehaving-Grew from one enchanted tree? And helpless to fight it-We should all be satisfied-With this magical explanation-For why the living die-And why it's hard to be a decent human being - David Bazan
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04-28-2005, 11:06 AM
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Rhinoqulous...Answer: I hear you what you are saying, but IF..IF..IF..my thoughts are that if all our memories, emotions, feelings, soul..electrical energy can be sent out WHILE we are alive to another place(heaven), then it may exist somewhere else while we are alive and after our body dies. Did you read my earlier right ups on the possibilities and technologies man has yet to fully understand yet? That's my concept and thoughts on the matter.
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04-28-2005, 11:38 AM
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Obsessed Member
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"People when silent movies came out would never conceive that there could also be sound and color."
Woah!
Back up, Drive!
Healthy genes act as team-players. They are teamish!
Their winning plays are salvations of an aliveness of which they are a part.
Only a fraction of genes are selfish/parasitic (and they parasitize teams).
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04-28-2005, 11:40 AM
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All the light switches in my house are conscious.
Healthy genes act as team-players. They are teamish!
Their winning plays are salvations of an aliveness of which they are a part.
Only a fraction of genes are selfish/parasitic (and they parasitize teams).
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04-28-2005, 11:40 AM
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The Original Rhinoqurilla
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Well, if Heaven has electricity, it is a physical place. If it is a physical place, it operates under entropy. If there's entropy, Heaven can't be eternal. So even IF you could send the electrical impulses that are "you" to some magical place called heaven, it doesn't guarantee eternal life, cause those electrical impulses will eventually fade just as they do here in the "real" world.
Rhinoq
Wait just a minute-You expect me to believe-That all this misbehaving-Grew from one enchanted tree? And helpless to fight it-We should all be satisfied-With this magical explanation-For why the living die-And why it's hard to be a decent human being - David Bazan
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04-28-2005, 11:46 AM
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"Electricity is magic."
"Anything can happen."
Healthy genes act as team-players. They are teamish!
Their winning plays are salvations of an aliveness of which they are a part.
Only a fraction of genes are selfish/parasitic (and they parasitize teams).
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04-29-2005, 03:09 PM
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I'm sure some of you are aware of the scientific theory of memetics. now as i know that it is nowhere near proven it does pose an answer to the question of intelligence. could it pose an answer to the soul. is the soul just our intelligence? could we have a so called soul without intelligence.
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04-30-2005, 01:54 AM
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skeptology wrote
is the soul just our intelligence? could we have a so called soul without intelligence.
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I don’t know, do you think mentally retarded people have less of a ‘soul’ then normal people? I don’t think that you mean intelligence; I think you mean, “mind”. Mind is a better term when talking about this kind of thing because it doesn’t rely on a person’s consciousness or education.
Now is a ‘soul’ just our ‘mind’, well that’s a good question.
Meme: an information pattern, held in an individual's memory, which is capable of being copied to another individual's memory.
Well I’m sure that this is why Christians of the world are having a fit when it comes to human cloning, because if a human can copy and create a new human then that leaves little room for god. If the mind can be replicated then that essentially takes away the concept of being or of being linked to, the soul, because Christians I'm sure would argue that humans cannot, or at least should not copy ‘souls’.
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05-04-2005, 04:08 AM
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spark wrote
but when you die you need the spirit to exist in to live and thats the body of our Lord Jesus Christ. If you don't receive the baptism you will not have the energy to live out of matter or procreate , meaning to generate eternal intentions.
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Good little Christian robot. Way to babble out meaningless doctrine without backing anything up with real evidence.
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spark wrote
Combining form of atomtries for consumptions, fragrances and external surroundings and tranquillity.
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I can’t even respond to this since it makes no sense. Maybe it would help if you defined “atomtries” since it’s not in the dictionary and therefore apparently a word that you just made up. You really need to stop trying so hard to use big words and just write out what you’re trying to say.
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As we create thoughts by intentions in the vacuum of space in our minds now.
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Intentions are “created by” thoughts not the other way around. And you may have space in your mind, but I happen to have nerve cells in mine.
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spark wrote
When we die and become in the spirit and body of Christ we create eternal intention in space procreations.
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Oh, hum, more illogical babble. Show some evidence that we have a spirit and that Christ is a god and then maybe we can actually have an intelligent discussion.
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05-04-2005, 08:07 AM
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I Live Here
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rocky Mountains, USA
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spark wrote
ombining form of atomtries for consumptions, fragrances and external surroundings and tranquillity.
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Mushrooms - definitely mushrooms.
"Science and Mother Nature are in a marriage where Science is always surprised to come home and find Mother Nature blowing the neighbor." - Justin's Dad
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