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View Poll Results: Should I teach my kids to believe in Santa?
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No (And don't give them presents)
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No (They still get presents)
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You should drown your children to stop them polluting the gene pool
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12-14-2007, 04:19 PM
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Should I teach my kids to believe in Santa
I don't have kids yet. Maybe I won't. But if I do, this seems like the season to ask the question:
Should I teach them to believe in Santa?
It seems that, while religious people sometimes deplore the commericalisation of Christmas, Santa is the best thing they could hope for in terms of indoctrination.
A kid spends several years believing that there is a big beard in the north pole who will give you what you want if you are well behaved and ask nicely. How hard is it to move from there to believing in a big beard in the sky who will give you what you want if you are well behaved and ask nicely?
The parallels run deeper. While kids spend the entire year believing in Santa, they don't really worry about being good until about a month before Christmas. This prepares them for religious adulthood where they lie, cheat and steal like anyone else, then try to be honest on Sundays. (Yes, that's a generalisation. Poetic licence.)
All in all, it would seem to be better not to give kids this brainwashing to start their lives.
On the other hand, I really liked believing in Santa. What do you guys think?
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12-14-2007, 04:20 PM
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As long as you make sure that they understand that Jesus and Santa are the same guy there's no harm in it.
You can always turn tricks for a few extra bucks. If looks are an issue, there's the glory hole option, but don't expect more than ... tips.
~ Philiboid Studge
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12-14-2007, 04:25 PM
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Yes. Children should be permitted to believe in magic and indulge in fantasy. Its great fun and it passes fast!
Never give a zombie girl a piggy back ride.
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12-15-2007, 06:56 AM
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Quote:
ubs wrote
Yes. Children should be permitted to believe in magic and indulge in fantasy. Its great fun and it passes fast!
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And it conditions them to think magically and to accept superstition. Yeah, that's the ticket!
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
"Reality, the God alternative"
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12-14-2007, 04:30 PM
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Teach them about Santa but make sure you have this poster up in the house.
They'll make the connection later.
(Actually, I was looking for the "Depressory"-style poster with Santa, captioned: Kids, on the day you learn more about Santa, remember everything you've been told about Jesus. But cannae find it.]
If religion were based on facts, it would be called science, and no one would believe it. -- Stephen Colbert
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12-14-2007, 04:50 PM
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Quote:
inkadu wrote
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LOL!
Inkadu, if you put one of these up in your yard, how long do you think it would last before there was fallout.
Never give a zombie girl a piggy back ride.
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12-14-2007, 04:53 PM
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the trick is to put one up in someone else's yard....
You can always turn tricks for a few extra bucks. If looks are an issue, there's the glory hole option, but don't expect more than ... tips.
~ Philiboid Studge
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12-14-2007, 05:48 PM
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Quote:
Choobus wrote
the trick is to put one up in someone else's yard....
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Hey so long as you don't burn it---who cares.
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12-14-2007, 05:04 PM
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We just have to find a town willing to give us room for our seasonal religious displays.
I rather humorlessly wonder if I'd be open to hate crime statutes for putting The Santafiction on someone's lawn.
If religion were based on facts, it would be called science, and no one would believe it. -- Stephen Colbert
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12-14-2007, 05:19 PM
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If you don't teach your children about Father Christmas, they'll be teased by their peers, so it's quite a dilemma I must say. Even though they'll eventually stop believing, I find it wrong to tell such a big lie to a child. For me, I wasn't really "told" Father Christmas existed, it was more of a socalisation thing for me, since no one really "denied" his existence. And when I stopped believing, well, it wasn't because my parents told me, it was on my own accord, I just stopped believing, just like the god and jesus crap - I wasn't indoctrinated but I saw signs of god everywhere, like churches, Christmas itself and so on. Then one day I just decided it was all bullshit.
In essence, tell your children it's bullshit, but do it in a way palatable to children. Or something. I'm the worst choice for a parent, sorry
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12-14-2007, 05:39 PM
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I think telling them there is a Santa could be done well. One of the most important things you can teach kids is that you're not always right, and that they shouldn't follow you or anyone else blindly, even though they come pre-wired to do so.
I've even considered taking kids to church in hopes they could see through the bullshit (just consider that I don't actually have kids, so my opinions could very well be worthless and extremely naive).
For the same reason, I find an appreciation of sarcasm an important trait to teach. Sure, they'll suck at it at first, but every time I run into an otherwise intelligent person who is completely clueless about the concept of subtlety in humour, I die a little inside.
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12-14-2007, 05:46 PM
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I'm with skribb here. I think the truth is always much better than a lie. However, you can ask them if they want to participate in the celebration of the holidays, and if all the family agrees to, then you can still share gifts with each other, why not?, but all this should always be based on the truth. Truth with love equals sanity and respect forever.
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12-14-2007, 05:55 PM
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Christian: One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. - Ambrose Bierce
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12-14-2007, 10:13 PM
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I've never understood this whole "Santa" thing. When I found out he wasn't real, the first thing I asked my parents was "why make up this story?"
I'm not pissed or anything at the lie, and it seems pretty harmless, but I still don't see the benefit. What exactly does a belief in Santa do? Why not just admit that the gifts labeled "from Santa" come from the parents? It's all rather pointless.
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12-14-2007, 10:42 PM
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Quote:
CycloneRanger wrote
I'm not pissed or anything at the lie, and it seems pretty harmless, but I still don't see the benefit.
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In essense, teaching children about Santa Claus teaches them that people can believe with absolute conviction in the existence of an entirely fictional character if they are taught to believe. And I therefore see it as an appropriate vehicle for exposing the lack of evidence for the Jesus myth.
When a child realizes that Santa Claus is a fictional character -- in spite of the "news reports" on Dec. 24th tracking the movements of his sleigh, and the assorted "helper Santas" at all the malls, and the movies and television specials -- it seems a fitting time to discuss the fact that people believe in other characters based on the same sort of evidence.
I don't intend to teach my children that there is a man named Santa Claus who lives at the North Pole with a sweatshop full of elves producing toys that he distributes to children every Dec. 25th based on their behavior during the preceding year. Rather, my wife and I will situate the presents under the Saturnalia Tree (my wife started calling it that a few years back, as well as refering to a "Saturnalia Fairy") after the kids have gone to bed on the 24th; the kids will find said presents on the morning of the 25th. If they ask whence said presents came, we'll tell them only "that's what the holiday is: a time for presents."
We won't lie, but we won't tell the whole truth. Then when the kids come home from school, having undoubtedly heard tales of this mysterious Arctic philanthropist, they may tell us that they heard that the presents came from Santa. And I'll say that "a lot of kids believe that." If they ask if it's true, I'll answer with the question: "do you think it's true"?
If my kids say they do, then I'll let them, because it's their own (poorly-informed) choice, and they will eventually come to realize the folly of it. If they say they don't, I'll remind them not to tell any of the children who do still believe in Santa because, just as my own kids did, each child needs to figure out that truth for themselves. That way, my kids aren't the ones responsible for ruining anyone else's holiday cheer.
The notion of each person figuring out the truth for themselves will utlimately translate quite naturally to religious myths, I think, if my wife and I succeed in imbuing our children with a foundation of logical thinking and critical enquiry.
a‧the‧ist (n): one who remains unconvinced.
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