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Old 02-04-2018, 03:03 PM   #3106
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Some might disagree ....

You god-botherers appear at no.6 - doing stuff in Haiti & the Dominican Republic, and another bunch at no.10 in Africa - where I'll wager they're looking to harvest a few needy, gullible souls.



We'll save the amassed non-charitable wealth of christ-stained organisations for later.
Misleading
The list numbering is not based on the amount contributed.
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Old 02-04-2018, 04:31 PM   #3107
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The list numbering is not based on the amount contributed.
You didn't say 'amount contributed' was the criteria for assessment.
Perhaps you'll provide evidence that god-whallopers top the cash list.

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Old 02-05-2018, 07:01 AM   #3108
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Misleading
The list numbering is not based on the amount contributed.
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It appears that quantity is more important to you than quality.

The same is reflected in your posts.

Invisibility and nothingness look an awful lot alike.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:01 AM   #3109
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KA, I personally don't take the Bible so literally as JJ does.
The sacrifice of animals in my view was just a sacrifice to atone for sins - maybe if the Bible were written in modern times we would have to sacrifice money (currency) or our I phone - something we value.

Jesus obviously sacrificed his mortal life, and underwent incredible suffering during his crucifixion.

The Christian belief is that one's sins are "paid for" by Christ's sacrifice, which was otherwise unwarranted (Christ was innocent of wrong doing). The need for the universe to balance wrongs with rights, or justice is a concept similar to Karma. It is a Christian equivalent.

From an atheistic perspective, Jesus was at least a moral teacher. The Golden rule is spoken for Jesus's lips.

God Bless you KA - we love you!
Well said Andrew. I do agree with you. I also agree in modern terms the sacrifice would be different than animal sacrifices in the Old Testament days where animals were viewed differently.

Great analogy to Karma, easier to relate to I am sure from an atheist perspective than the need for atonement for sin.

K, Maybe sin is a " meaningless to concept to you" you note in post 3098 but you surely have some sense of sin which is right and wrong and wrong would be sin in simple terms from a Christian perspective. (response to post 3098)

I do believe Jesus did INDEED change things by using Andrew's example , atoning for wrong and opening the doors to everlasting life.

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Old 02-05-2018, 10:23 AM   #3110
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You didn't say 'amount contributed' was the criteria for assessment.
Perhaps you'll provide evidence that god-whallopers top the cash list.
JJ's secretary is a resource. Lol

I could look it up - but I heard that on CNN.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:36 AM   #3111
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KA,

I wanted to address your comment regarding your thoughts that abortion and lewd thoughts are not wrong

Abortion is a whole can of worms issue and you would have to start a separate thread on that issue on the main board and perhaps Andrew will chime in. I am quite certain I will agree with his thoughts and suffice it to say as a hint to my view; I do NOT want to see or hear of women dying in back alley abortions or put in jail for such and I also believe life is the better option(based on the Bible of course.) I am also not some militant freak against birth control; that's more of a Catholic issue since the 1930 Lambeth Convention.

Luke 6:37-42 New International Version (NIV)
Judging Others:

[b][color="DarkGreen"]37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

The final word on all issues is the Bible for me and it condemns judging and states love your neighbor as yourself.

'Nuff said on that issue and I do not speak more than BRIEFLY on the issue anyway because everyone has their mind made up and the Bible is clear to me regarding hopes for our decision regarding life/death matters. The Biblical view chooses life. You don't use the Bible as your sole rule and norm and Faith so it's a moot point anyway.

Luke 6:37-42 New International Version (NIV)
Judging Others
37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.


Regarding lewd thoughts... albeit, I am Baptist ,I am not the" fire and brim stone damn everyone to hell"... for every alcoholic beverage, lewd thought and minute sin type of Christian by any means. I might have a slightly more literal view of the Bible than Andrew but we are on the "same page' completely so far regarding Christianity.

I am glad he has joined the forum.

Jesus is the common denominator of most people self identifying as Christian in most all instances.

If people want to engage in lewd thoughts It's not my business. If it keeps someone from raping a child, woman, or man better that than a rape or molestation of some kind.

If in inspires predators such as rapists and child molesters ( shown in some studies to love to view kiddie porn then plan and plot to groom victims) of course it's not a good plan. If watching inspires engaging in illegal acts it's not a good plan and child abuse and rape are horrific crime against women, children both boys and girls.

Common sense dictates as well of course, and I sense you have some, K.

That should address all issues noted to me in Post 3098.

JJ.

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Old 02-05-2018, 11:32 AM   #3112
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Thanks for your thoughtful reply JJ.

I know what you mean about catholicism but I do find it interesting how our different perspectives have led me to understand that religion was the language through which my OCD was expressed rather than the cause of it.
I meant to tell you Judge that your above comment makes an interesting point. I always wondered with the religious manifestations of some disorders, which came first, the "chicken or the egg"; mental illness or religious beliefs triggering such.

Schizophrenia is a completely different issue of course but I thought you might find it interesting that my secretary who is Catholic had a good friend with schizophrenia. I went with her one lunch hour to visit her friend when he was hospitalized in a psychiatric unit of a University Hospital.

He attended daily religious services, (Mass I believe they still call it) and had been missing for a few days so the priest with the permission of the hospital did let her go visit with his permission. His family was no longer in the picture. He wanted more visitors when he was lucid enough to request that of the staff and he wanted to meet me since we work together so I went.

He had an aide with him that day and the aide told us the reason why (wondered if that violated HIPPA) was because he was having delusions in the form of Catholic delusions. He had been jumping from chair to chair as he believed he was St Michael the Archangel. He had also spoke and "talked to" his guardian angel. It was very interesting to me.

I hope research continues in the area of mental illnesses and someday there will not be such struggles and stigma with mental illness. I know many who have struggled with such.

Hope this finds you well,

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Old 02-05-2018, 12:40 PM   #3113
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[quote=Sinfidel;690658]JerryJohn wrote





Like you, the priests were greedy and selfish, and wanted only grade A1 meat for dinner.

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This is pure bullshit and you know it Sinny. Please post intelligently contributing to the topics or refrain from posting.

You are just as greedy and selfish as everyone else has been at one point or another, so suck it up "be a man" and admit it NOW on my thread.

Please take the below statement to your attorney, sign and notarize it take a photo on your phone and post it here for all of us to see,

"I, Sinfidel, AKA Sinny do solemnly declare I too have been greedy and selfish."

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Notary____________________________________________ ________

Otherwise, get off this freaking thread of mine and quit clogging my reading time up with nonsense.

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Old 02-05-2018, 12:51 PM   #3114
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Sinny,

Do you agree with the below biblical passage or are you the same as the Immaculate Virgin Mary, the Catholics claim was born without "original" sin and also did not engage in/or commit ) ANY sin. Amazing!~ You too? Hmmmm.

New International Version:
1 John 1:8

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:8 NIV


Now before you have a shit-fit about the word "sin," what I mean in your world is have you ever done anything hurtful to someone else, or yourself, or stupid etc,? Get the drift or do I need to spell out what I mean by this post and by the word sin more clearly on a second grade level?

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Old 02-05-2018, 02:21 PM   #3115
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I could look it up - but I heard that on CNN.

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Old 02-05-2018, 04:36 PM   #3116
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KA,

I wanted to address your comment regarding your thoughts that abortion and lewd thoughts are not wrong

Abortion is a whole can of worms issue and you would have to start a separate thread on that issue on the main board and perhaps Andrew will chime in. I am quite certain I will agree with his thoughts and suffice it to say as a hint to my view; I do NOT want to see or hear of women dying in back alley abortions or put in jail for such and I also believe life is the better option(based on the Bible of course.) I am also not some militant freak against birth control; that's more of a Catholic issue since the 1930 Lambeth Convention.

Luke 6:37-42 New International Version (NIV)
Judging Others:


[b][color="DarkGreen"]37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

The final word on all issues is the Bible for me and it condemns judging and states love your neighbor as yourself.

'Nuff said on that issue and I do not speak more than BRIEFLY on the issue anyway because everyone has their mind made up and the Bible is clear to me regarding hopes for our decision regarding life/death matters. The Biblical view chooses life. You don't use the Bible as your sole rule and norm and Faith so it's a moot point anyway.

Luke 6:37-42 New International Version (NIV)
Judging Others
37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.


Regarding lewd thoughts... albeit, I am Baptist ,I am not the" fire and brim stone damn everyone to hell"... for every alcoholic beverage, lewd thought and minute sin type of Christian by any means. I might have a slightly more literal view of the Bible than Andrew but we are on the "same page' completely so far regarding Christianity.

I am glad he has joined the forum.

Jesus is the common denominator of most people self identifying as Christian in most all instances.

If people want to engage in lewd thoughts It's not my business. If it keeps someone from raping a child, woman, or man better that than a rape or molestation of some kind.

If in inspires predators such as rapists and child molesters ( shown in some studies to love to view kiddie porn then plan and plot to groom victims) of course it's not a good plan. If watching inspires engaging in illegal acts it's not a good plan and child abuse and rape are horrific crime against women, children both boys and girls.

Common sense dictates as well of course, and I sense you have some, K.

That should address all issues noted to me in Post 3098.

JJ.
Thanks for the detailed response JJ, but I have to say I'm disappointed. you seemed to focus on two pretty irrelevant examples of sin I gave and not on the gist of my post i.e. What was the actual sacrifice and what actually changed after other than some bullshit promises and threats?

Once you are dead, you are nothing. Graffito, Pompeii
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Old 02-05-2018, 06:56 PM   #3117
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Aw, I am touched, a post from the mod. Feel free to stop by anytime. I moderate my own thread and I allow all posts to be posted.

Good Day.

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Old 02-05-2018, 07:58 PM   #3118
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Andrew addressed the issue regarding the ACTUAL sacrifice. I thought it was sufficient for you. I can add a more literal interpretation which is that blood was required for atonement of sin. In the Old Testament it was via animal sacrifice while in the New Testament it is was the blood of Jesus . By his cross, and resurrection he has set us free from the need for animal sacrifices. he gave his life so that blood sacrifices are no longer required for sin. Jesus is the perfect sacrifice given his bloody crucifixion. He lived (most Christians believe) a sinless life. Yes quite a reach for non-Christians I know.

The main bullshit promise was forgiveness of sins and life everlasting. My personal Christian view is this helps with the issue of suffering and evil all around us. This is the main reason atheists have expressed to me for not believing in God. The people I have met note a loving God would NOT allow suffering of all kinds in this world. My belief is these people may well be in heaven where there will be no more tears or suffering. Just for the plain hell of it, here is what is often quoted by Christians:

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Revelation 21:

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

I don't know what threats you are referring to. If you mean God sending people to Hell, well that is a choice a person makes (with free will) given the way they led their life with mental, physical, and spiritual status taken into account.

I do not believe all atheists are all in Hell. I do believe there is a Hell for the Bible is clear that one exists. You reject the Bible so this is really a pointless statement for you I know.

If any one tells you that you are going to Hell because you are not a Christian tell them to fuck off. You can quote the judge not lest ye be judged verse for fun (speaking their language;Bible-ese) or Fuck Off in whatever way you care to do so. Of course I am sure you know that this and respond as you care to respond.

There are some theists out there who proclaim Hell does not really exist and also that there could be/is a Hell and yet no one will be in it.

Hope that addresses your issues. That's the best answer I can give you from a Christian point of view and my personal beliefs as a Christian.

JJ

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Old 02-05-2018, 08:16 PM   #3119
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I have to apologize for the duplicate posts on the same post/issue. I tried to clean up the first version using more appropriate language,grammar,and spelling. I have typed relatively fast tonight so if there are typos, sorry, and please ignore.

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Old 02-05-2018, 08:50 PM   #3120
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I have to apologize for the duplicate posts on the same post/issue. I tried to clean up the first version using more appropriate language,grammar,and spelling. I have typed relatively fast tonight so if there are typos, sorry, and please ignore.

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JJ, you are spreading the Word like wild fire! Well done. The Holy Spirit has ignited you!

God Bless, your missionary work here will be noted in the here in after!
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