You're not going to fall for this, are you?

[Kinich Ahau]

Egor probably thinks he is the nurse but in reality he is the patient. You never know with deluded fucks like EGOr.

[Stargazer]

Egor wrote

We already went there, remember? I told you how to take a picture of God.

This is not proof of any kind. This is something theists often do in response to this question however. Instead of offering any solid, substantial proof, they tell me I need to stand slack jawed in awe of how complicated life is and somehow conclude that because things are beautiful/complex/there at all that there MUST be a god.

If offered this kind of "proof" in, say, the medical field, you would immediately dismiss it as ridiculous. So why the intellectual disconnect when it comes to God?

Egor wrote

You bet. A little neologism on my part. “Veridicanism” coined in 1993.

Veridical = True

-an = suffix denoting a follower

-ism = suffix denoting a doctrine

Veridicanism = The doctrine of those who follow that which is true.

What is true is this:

1. God is monistic in His nature.

2. The human purpose is to be Christ. Christ is God conscious of Himself from within His creation.

This is great and all that, and at least shows that you have something of an imagination, but you are still a theist, and still using all the same basic arguments that they all are. The fact that you apparently could not find a fit in the existing religions and made up your own, however, seems to indicate some kind of deep seated unease with theism, and, I wonder, if you had carried that feeling further is you might have joined the ranks of atheists. To which we would welcome you, by the way.

However, your choice, of course.

Egor wrote

You sure were working at the mystery of it.

It is my nature to be thorough. I attack everything that way.

Egor wrote

Why do girls always decry testosterone? When they’re afraid of the dark they want as much of it around as possible.

While I see the attempt to stereotype me, I will say this:

I am not afraid of the dark. Or the things that lurk in it.

[orangeitis]

Egor wrote

What is true is this:

1. God is monistic in His nature.

2. The human purpose is to be Christ. Christ is God conscious of Himself from within His creation.

That's a mighty set of claims. Do you have empirical evidence prepared to support them?

[Smellyoldgit]

orangeitis wrote

That's a mighty set of claims. Do you have empirical evidence prepared to support them?

Why yes, I believe he does:

[ILOVEJESUS]

orangeitis wrote

That's a mighty set of claims. Do you have empirical evidence prepared to support them?

He has already admitted to having made this religion up has he not?

[Eternal]

orangeitis wrote

That's a mighty set of claims. Do you have empirical evidence prepared to support them?

Even more baffling is how he can claim God is monistic, when he can't even provide a clear, concise definition of God.

[Egor]

Irreligious wrote

Wait a minute. You reserve the right to reject and disdain other people's beliefs but they are, somehow, bound to respect yours?

I don’t disdain anyone’s religion. Have you heard me do that? In fact, I’ve defended others religions by claiming they are worshiping the same God I am, just a different revelation of him.

But it's the doctrine of just one person, the only known Veridican on the planet: You.

Yep. In fact, I’m at a crossroads right now. I have tried in the past to be a traditional Christian, but I have failed each time. This time around, it’s as if God has tricked me back into being a Veridican. I have tried to leave it behind, but I can’t seem to do it. So, I guess it’s my purpose in life to go forward with it.

I have never written down a concise and definite version of Veridicanism, except for the two tenets (God is monistic in nature, and the human purpose is to be Christ.). But where I’m at in my book right now necessitates it. I have been trying to let this cup pass from me, but it won’t go away.

The crossroads is this: I believe everyone should form their own religion from reading the Gospels (that is, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and also Thomas). Everyone should walk their own path. There shouldn’t be 35,000 denominations of Christianity; there should be 6 billion denominations. But I also realize that can be like feeding an infant by setting a can of chili in front of him or her along with a can opener. So I may have to set out a system of belief whether I want to or not.

But I fully expect to be the only Veridican until the day I die. What happens with it after that or how it is forgotten, or worse corrupted, will not be my concern. Apparently, I was born to invent this religion, so I need to get about the business of it. It’s been in formation for the last 19 years. There’s nothing left to discover. It’s just time to do.

Why on earth would you seek to assault 7 billion people with it?

To save them from Hell, of course.

Stargazer wrote

This is not proof of any kind. This is something theists often do in response to this question however. Instead of offering any solid, substantial proof, they tell me I need to stand slack jawed in awe of how complicated life is and somehow conclude that because things are beautiful/complex/there at all that there MUST be a god.

I don’t know what you mean by “Solid, substantial proof.” If you want to see God physically, then you have to look at his physical body, and that is the universe. If you want to connect with God spiritually, then you have to grow closer to him by living out your purpose, which is to become His consciousness within His creation. You don’t meet God; you wake up to God. If you want to feel God’s love for you, then you must be willing to be one with God.

If offered this kind of "proof" in, say, the medical field, you would immediately dismiss it as ridiculous. So why the intellectual disconnect when it comes to God?

I wouldn’t even go there. The medical field is not dominated by atheism. Far, far from it. I have never met an atheist nurse that I know of. All of them have been quite spiritually-minded. Most doctors, I’ve met, quite frankly, are Hindu. My Anatomy and Physiology professor was the one who said, “If you’re not a believer when you start this class; you will be when you finish.” Meaning that the complexity and design of the human body was enough to make anyone believe in God.

Evidence-based care is what nurses are supposed to go by, and we do. In other words, what has been proven to work, we use. That’s why in psychiatry, we assess patients for religious beliefs, because solid religious beliefs can be an asset in their healing. Hyper-religiosity, which is a sign of delusion and psychosis, is not the same thing as true religious belief. There is a huge difference between a patient being able to focus on reading the Bible and a patient who walks around with a Bible to ward off demons.

I know that from the outside, it seems that medicine is this great atheistic research laboratory where people are healed with all the confidence of science, but in truth it’s not that way. There are medicines that work on infections, pain, tumor growth, and the positive symptoms of mental illness. There are procedures you can do to fix the body when it is broke, but people heal on their own. You stich a laceration together, and God takes it from there. You inject epinephrine and atropine and do chest compressions and ventilate a dying man, maybe you apply an electric shock to the heart, but none of that makes a person live. Most people in cardiac arrest will still die.

No one would ever suggest that medicine should be scrapped and faith healing should ensue. God has given us our technological advancement. But there is the illusion of medical science and there is the clinical reality of what it can do. That’s why a lot of people prefer nursing over being a physician. Some of us believe that caring for a patient never fails, whereas medicine, in the long run, always fails—we all die.

This is great and all that, and at least shows that you have something of an imagination, but you are still a theist, and still using all the same basic arguments that they all are. The fact that you apparently could not find a fit in the existing religions and made up your own, however, seems to indicate some kind of deep seated unease with theism, and, I wonder, if you had carried that feeling further is you might have joined the ranks of atheists. To which we would welcome you, by the way.

There are more atheists in traditional religion than anywhere else. That’s my problem with religion. Another is that I cannot tolerate someone being a spiritual authority over me. That just ain’t gunna happen. There are too many people in church saying they believe in God but living as if He didn’t exist.

I am not afraid of the dark. Or the things that lurk in it.

Well said.

orangeitis wrote

That's a mighty set of claims. Do you have empirical evidence prepared to support them?

Funny you should say. I was just talking with God in my prayer journal last night and saying that Veridicanism is the only thing I can fight atheism with. It feeds off of traditional religious notions like AIDS use the immune cells to spread its disease. I can defend the fact that God is the monistic entity of fundamental consciousness and that the Human purpose is to be Christ. I can’t defend Catholic or Protestant theology. Hell, I can’t even understand how Catholicism developed from the teachings of Christ in the first place.

[Egor]

Eternal wrote

Even more baffling is how he can claim God is monistic, when he can't even provide a clear, concise definition of God.

God is the monistic entity of fundamental consciousness. The revelation of God to an individual (which is what I think you are really getting at) is variable. It is different for each person who reads the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. That’s because each person has a different mission to do as Christ. So when you shout out to Christ, the echo you get back will sound different to you than the echo I get back. We each have our own thing to do in Christ.

The verse in my signature…oh, I forgot…in this forum, I can’t have a signature, or an avatar. Well, anyway, there is a verse in the Gospel of John that goes like this.

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

These verses are not about heaven. They are about our purpose in Christ that we were uniquely designed to fulfill in our lifetime here on earth. The second coming of Christ is not in the clouds—it’s when you become Christ!

ILOVEJESUS wrote

He has already admitted to having made this religion up has he not?

Yeah, it’s my invention. Of course, I believe God has given me the ideas. Over nearly twenty years, I have seen how God has moved in this way in my life, and I am sure that He is behind all of this. I don’t know why. I don’t know if it’s just for me or if it is for others, too. I don’t know if I’m simply going to preach it until I die, and then some time after, others will take hold of it, or if it will just fade away. But what else am I going to do? What else does one do with a life than move on what they believe they have been designed for.

It kind of makes sense that God would create a personality like mine if he wanted to start a new religion. I don’t back down. I’m highly intelligent. I love to fight. I have a massive ego and need to feed it. I’ve had a lifelong two-way communication with God. I’ve studied every kind of religion there is. I have spiritual gifts that most people don’t have. I’m a writer and a damn good publisher (at least technically. Of course, I can’t sell a book worth a damn). I’m not encumbered by raising children. And I’ve been all over the world (including Scotland). With all that, I know how to care for people, and I honestly feel fulfilled in doing that line of work (being a nurse). In other words, I’m not some academic who’s always got my head down, and I’m not someone who left the Church and threw out God and Christ when I did. That’s pretty rare.

And when I look at the events of my life from my earliest memories until today, I see a design that I did not intend. Now at my age, I can see enough of the design to tell where it is going.

Eternal wrote

Even more baffling is how he can claim God is monistic, when he can't even provide a clear, concise definition of God.

God is the monistic entity of fundamental consciousness. The revelation of God to an individual (which is what I think you are really getting at) is variable. It is different for each person who reads the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. That’s because each person has a different mission to do as Christ. So when you shout out to Christ, the echo you get back will sound different to you than the echo I get back. We each have our own thing to do in Christ.

The verse in my signature…oh, I forgot…in this forum, I can’t have a signature, or an avatar. Well, anyway, there is a verse in the Gospel of John that goes like this.

[Smellyoldgit]

What a twat.

[Professor Chaos]

I don't understand...He has a signature.

[Smellyoldgit]

so he does.

[Davin]

I wonder if it realises that it repeated itself in the same post.

[Smellyoldgit]

Davin wrote

I wonder if it realises that it repeated itself in the same post.

Indeed - I lost count after 14 sacks of bullshit.

[Stargazer]

Egor wrote

Yep. In fact, I’m at a crossroads right now. I have tried in the past to be a traditional Christian, but I have failed each time. This time around, it’s as if God has tricked me back into being a Veridican. I have tried to leave it behind, but I can’t seem to do it. So, I guess it’s my purpose in life to go forward with it.

I have never written down a concise and definite version of Veridicanism, except for the two tenets (God is monistic in nature, and the human purpose is to be Christ.). But where I’m at in my book right now necessitates it. I have been trying to let this cup pass from me, but it won’t go away.

The crossroads is this: I believe everyone should form their own religion from reading the Gospels (that is, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and also Thomas). Everyone should walk their own path. There shouldn’t be 35,000 denominations of Christianity; there should be 6 billion denominations. But I also realize that can be like feeding an infant by setting a can of chili in front of him or her along with a can opener. So I may have to set out a system of belief whether I want to or not.

Actually, Egor, this sounds a lot like Gnosticism. My background: I have been an atheist all my life (can remember not believing stuff taught at Sunday School around age 8), yet I went to a Baptist university, majoring in English. It was required to take religion courses there, and I did. I took the required Bible course and I also took comparative religions. There I learned about Gnosticism, and have done a lot of reading on that subject and many others on religion since college. I have read the Bible, Koran, Book of Mormon, Mahabarata, you name it.

Gnosticim, as I understand it, is where each person has to, through learning, find God for him/herself. These groups were supported in the early church, but were declared heretical later on and people were hunted and killed for it.

But the idea of finding God through individual learning, sounds much like what you are doing.

Also, though, if you read enough Gnostic literature, it begins to sound kind of like Buddhism, which I think is not a religion but a philosophy.

Egor wrote

I don’t know what you mean by “Solid, substantial proof.” If you want to see God physically, then you have to look at his physical body, and that is the universe. If you want to connect with God spiritually, then you have to grow closer to him by living out your purpose, which is to become His consciousness within His creation. You don’t meet God; you wake up to God. If you want to feel God’s love for you, then you must be willing to be one with God.

By proof I mean something that shows direct evidence of God, not implied evidence, where you have to make a leap of faith to accept it. That's where any example of the Argument From Design breaks down, and you've seen Ex Atheist give numerous examples along the lines of: Look at (the human eye, a mosquito, whatever). It is very complex. Therefore (LEAP) there MUST be a God.

Egor wrote

I wouldn’t even go there. The medical field is not dominated by atheism. Far, far from it. I have never met an atheist nurse that I know of. All of them have been quite spiritually-minded. Most doctors, I’ve met, quite frankly, are Hindu. My Anatomy and Physiology professor was the one who said, “If you’re not a believer when you start this class; you will be when you finish.” Meaning that the complexity and design of the human body was enough to make anyone believe in God.

Argument From Design, see above.

Egor wrote

Evidence-based care is what nurses are supposed to go by, and we do. In other words, what has been proven to work, we use. That’s why in psychiatry, we assess patients for religious beliefs, because solid religious beliefs can be an asset in their healing. Hyper-religiosity, which is a sign of delusion and psychosis, is not the same thing as true religious belief. There is a huge difference between a patient being able to focus on reading the Bible and a patient who walks around with a Bible to ward off demons. I know that from the outside, it seems that medicine is this great atheistic research laboratory where people are healed with all the confidence of science, but in truth it’s not that way. There are medicines that work on infections, pain, tumor growth, and the positive symptoms of mental illness. There are procedures you can do to fix the body when it is broke, but people heal on their own. You stich a laceration together, and God takes it from there. You inject epinephrine and atropine and do chest compressions and ventilate a dying man, maybe you apply an electric shock to the heart, but none of that makes a person live. Most people in cardiac arrest will still die. No one would ever suggest that medicine should be scrapped and faith healing should ensue. God has given us our technological advancement. But there is the illusion of medical science and there is the clinical reality of what it can do. That’s why a lot of people prefer nursing over being a physician. Some of us believe that caring for a patient never fails, whereas medicine, in the long run, always fails—we all die.

This just shows that medicine in some ways is still stuck in the last century. Anyone with a strong enough positive attitude has a better chance of healing. This has been in many articles I had read lately. But can the person (I HATE the term patient) do this with the strength of their own mind, or do they need a crutch (God) to accomplish it? I would say mental resiliency is to be credited to the individual person, not to some invisible being. Just as Tim Tebow is responsible for winning his own football games, not God, even though he would probably say so.

Egor wrote

There are more atheists in traditional religion than anywhere else. That’s my problem with religion. Another is that I cannot tolerate someone being a spiritual authority over me. That just ain’t gunna happen. There are too many people in church saying they believe in God but living as if He didn’t exist.

If a person believes in God he/she is not an atheist. Let us be careful with our definition of terms.

Egor wrote

Funny you should say. I was just talking with God in my prayer journal last night and saying that Veridicanism is the only thing I can fight atheism with. It feeds off of traditional religious notions like AIDS use the immune cells to spread its disease. I can defend the fact that God is the monistic entity of fundamental consciousness and that the Human purpose is to be Christ. I can’t defend Catholic or Protestant theology. Hell, I can’t even understand how Catholicism developed from the teachings of Christ in the first place

No defending necessary. Just give us concrete proof (defined above) of God.

[Eternal]

Nope, it doesn't matter how many times you read it, it's still rubbish.

Anyways, by any chance have you read the second coming of christ by Paramahansa Yogananda. If not then i suggest you read it, because everything you say could be coming from his divine lips (except for the bit about the beer and superbowl). I think you may find your book has already been written, maybe not, I wouldn't presume to know the contents of your book, but if it resembles your dribblings here then there is a good chance. Paramahansa Yogananda was a hindu who was a big shouter about jeebus, and thought that jesus and krishna were watching over us hand in hand, and that jesus was essentially a yogi that we should all try to emulate.

He set up an organisation to extol his own brand of religion called the self realisation fellowship. Look them up, you might finally find somewhere you belong.