Good Science

[West491]

Oh, look here!

Look at what scientists and engineers did with their collection of unfalsified truths and hypotheses. Gotta have a bit of faith for it to work tho!

[thomastwo]

West491 wrote

Oh, look here!

Look at what scientists and engineers did with their collection of unfalsified truths and hypotheses. Gotta have a bit of faith for it to work tho!

Science is awesome. That's why I've been a little surprised by how little folks on this forum know about the scientific method.

Nobody here corrected the mistaken ideas that
- science is a source of truth
- scientific theories can provide a proof
- science is the only source of truth

It seems like you're celebrating something you don't really understand very well.

[Davin]

Haha, good one, ThomasTwo!

[thomastwo]

Thanks Davin.

[West491]

lolwut?

[Davin]

Dunno, looked like T2 is being a drama queen by trying to take passive aggressive jabs at people in this thread because it doesn't have the mental capacity to continue the argument from another thread.

[Michael]

thomastwo wrote

Science is awesome. That's why I've been a little surprised by how little folks on this forum know about the scientific method.

Nobody here corrected the mistaken ideas that
- science is a source of truth
- scientific theories can provide a proof
- science is the only source of truth

It seems like you're celebrating something you don't really understand very well.

I'm confused. Are you saying science isn't a source of truth, or isn't the only source of truth.

Because if you're saying that it is a source but isn't the only source of truth then it makes no sense to say that it isn't a source of truth at all.

And if you're saying it isn't a source of truth at all then saying it isn't the only source of truth is pretty much redundant.

[Michael]

And secondly, how is science not a source of truth? Sure, you've got your definition from the other thread that

science is not a source of truth. It's a source of non-falsified theories.

Actually, wait, I think I see what you're getting at. Originally I was mostly happy to agree with the second part about non-falsified theories, but that those theories when proven correct (ie gravity and shit) lead to a more "truthful" understanding of the world.
But science is by it's very definition always in a state of flux, right? I mean, we constantly say that if something came along to show the theory of gravity to be wrong (I have no idea what could do it, but something), then we would accept it as not being the correct representation. So really, science can never be certain as being the "truth" of things, only the best current representation of what we know, whereas mathematics and logic etc don't change.

I think that's what you were getting at? I don't know, makes sense to me a little.

Though if someone wants to talk me out of it, I'll oblige.

[psychodiva]

T2- fuck off - baiting people with useless arguments is just trolling

[psychodiva]

oh and mods- if T2 carries on baiting on this thread- can he be fucked off please? This thread is for posting about science not for trolls like that wanker

[Smellyoldgit]

Don't panic - they tend to slime off back to church before the carpets get too stained.

[West491]

I accept full responsibility for the bait-n-trap. Back to 'Good science'.

[selliedjoup]

Smellyoldgit wrote

I had the pleasure of listening to Freethought Blogger Mano Singham deliver a light hearted talk on just how, over the years, science has trounced the christ-punchers into almost accepting their 6,000 year old earth is a load of bollocks.



We didn't get suicide bombed, smited or sent to hell, despite the array of retarded, irrelevant & downright stupid questions some of the audience felt sober enough to ask. I guess they're too used to respecting the wank that is biblical 'authority' and shitsucking dadwanker hasn't yet crept into their vocabulary.

[psychodiva]

I have the wanker on ignore so if the wanker has said anything wankery can it be moved please mods?

[Kate]

New kind of spider found!