Free Will

Hello,

I have been thinking...if the universe is just blind forces that interact with each other, where does free will and consciousness come in to play?

[Victus]

DOMi wrote

Hello,

I have been thinking...if the universe is just blind forces that interact with each other, where does free will and consciousness come in to play?

Maybe they don't.

Victus wrote

Maybe they don't.

But it does, what descisions you make effect matter(lifting up a cup to pissing in a bush and changing the consitancy of moisture in the dirt on the ground).

[ubs]

DOMi wrote

But it does, what descisions you make effect matter(lifting up a cup to pissing in a bush and changing the consitancy of moisture in the dirt on the ground).

And that matter affects your "decision." You only think you have a choice.

Unless you embrace the idea of a supernatural there is no source for your free will. Is the supernatural what you are suggesting?

[Victus]

DOMi wrote

But it does, what descisions you make effect matter(lifting up a cup to pissing in a bush and changing the consitancy of moisture in the dirt on the ground).

Maybe what you call decisions are just more blind physical forces interacting, physics in motion as it were.

[ubs]

A question for theists would be "Do chimps have free will."

As they are said not to have an immortal soul, I would expect the answer to be no, and yet they appear to make decisions just as we do....

That whole other-life-isn't-special-like-us thing is very problematic.

ubs wrote

A question for theists would be "Do chimps have free will."

As they are said not to have an immortal soul, I would expect the answer to be no, and yet they appear to make decisions just as we do....

That whole other-life-isn't-special-like-us thing is very problematic.

I AM NOT A THEIST...HOW DARE YOU!

ubs wrote

A question for theists would be "Do chimps have free will."

As they are said not to have an immortal soul, I would expect the answer to be no, and yet they appear to make decisions just as we do....

That whole other-life-isn't-special-like-us thing is very problematic.

I would think that chimps have free will. Give it two bannanas of the same size and freshness. The chimp will have to choose one.

calpurnpiso wrote

Welcome to the forum. Free will & Consciousness originate in the Universes Within. The universes Within we create our Minds with, the BRAIN.

Tinkering with the brain can distorts its thinking. Our brains have deviced a way to understand the Universe. The very large, with Relativity & very small with quantum mechanics. Perhaps the theory of everything rest in understanding the 11 dimensions than make up the infinitesimal bubbles of the pulsating strings responsible for consciousness.

Victus wrote

Maybe what you call decisions are just more blind physical forces interacting, physics in motion as it were.

So if you decide to make a decision, the out come of deciding to make that descion is the descision itself? uhh..does that make sense or am i just crazy lol

[Sternwallow]

DOMi wrote

So if you decide to make a decision, the out come of deciding to make that descion is the descision itself? uhh..does that make sense or am i just crazy lol

You are getting hung up on the term "decision".

Every decision you or I make is dependent on the various influences active at that moment. I choose to respond to your post because I WANT to make my position on free will generally known, I WANT that because I am interested in what others may offer as contrary ideas. I am INTERESTED because I know that my analysis and knowledge, as fine as they are, are not perfect....

Note that the alternative to determinism is not rational free choice, it is uncaused randomness.

Choice is all deterministic.

[Atavus]

DOMi wrote

But it does, what descisions you make effect matter(lifting up a cup to pissing in a bush and changing the consitancy of moisture in the dirt on the ground).

Lifting a cup or pissing in a bush will effect something. But it doesn't mean there's a great meaning behind it. It just happens.

[Sternwallow]

Atavus wrote

Lifting a cup or pissing in a bush will effect something. But it doesn't mean there's a great meaning behind it. It just happens.

Right. And it doesn't demonstrate that we who lift and we who pee, could have done differently at the time, even though it may look like we could have, in retrospect.

[Eva]

we have a thread called Introduce Yourself. know it, use it, become a friend of it, eh?

I already did some time ago, been travelling to different ideas on the net and such.

[calpurnpiso]

DOMi wrote

Hello,

I have been thinking...if the universe is just blind forces that interact with each other, where does free will and consciousness come in to play?

Welcome to the forum. Free will & Consciousness originate in the Universes Within. The universes Within we create our Minds with, the BRAIN.

Tinkering with the brain can distorts its thinking. Our brains have deviced a way to understand the Universe. The very large, with Relativity & very small with quantum mechanics. Perhaps the theory of everything rest in understanding the 11 dimensions than make up the infinitesimal bubbles of the pulsating strings responsible for consciousness.