Merkins 2012 - Page 34

ubs · 09-17-2011, 09:44 AM

Now that you know how you're giving yourself away, the next time you go all Frank Booth on me I won't even see it coming. I'll be all "Oh Fuck! Oh Fuck! Assholes on the Internet!"

In the mean time, I have this pilot friend I want to introduce to you.

I know meeting him will enable you to fly a plane and then you could just fly the Brit RAers out to the West Coast for us.

psychodiva · 09-17-2011, 10:19 AM

and then what?

Philboid Studge · 09-17-2011, 05:40 PM

Former Senator Froth mix really wants to control your lady parts. His feelings about Fetus-Americans is a product of his experience, and is tres creepy.

Oleaginous pond-scum and enduring hypocrite Newt Gingrich wants to control your womb-hole, but hasn't yet developed a master plan: "I think that abortion should not be legal, and I think that how you would implement that I'm not sure."

Lawn gnome Ron Paul, in his doctoring days, saw 4000 glistening uteri staring up at him like eyes that weep when they're happy, and he wants to control 'em. The libertarians' champion wants government out of everything (except your vagine).

The other glibertarian, what's-his-name: ditto.

Ingenue Rick Perry wants utter control of your snatch-port or as he calls it, your "Texas Tot Toaster."

Philboid Studge · 09-17-2011, 05:41 PM

The Mormon was against controlling your Cave o' Creation before he was for it, but then again, he has flip-flopped like an epileptic carp on most issues.

Pizza guy Herb Cain has wanted to control your pizza oven since the day his mum shagged the Domino's delivery guy: “I am pro-life from conception.”

Crazy Eyes wants to control other people's private place, but since she herself has a Fetus Factory, she must want hers controlled as well. She must want it bad.

Doesn't want to control your uterus.

Philboid Studge · 09-17-2011, 05:54 PM

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ubs wrote

Now that you know how you're giving yourself away, the next time you go all Frank Booth on me I won't even see it coming. I'll be all "Oh Fuck! Oh Fuck! Assholes on the Internet!"

Good one. But this makes you Dorothy Vallens, and as I recall she liked the abuse. She really liked it.

Brick · 09-17-2011, 08:47 PM

Some people think abortion is wrong, and there are valid, non-religious reasons for it. The only reasons I can see for an abortion are to save the mother's life and in cases of catastrophic birth defects. You might say that it's cruel to force a woman to carry a child to term and I say the right of a person to live trumps the right of a woman not to be inconvenienced by pregnancy. You don't have to raise a child if you don't want to, so that one's out as well. In cases of rape and incest, it's not the child's fault it was conceived that way, so killing it just compounds the crime.

Rhinoqulous · 09-17-2011, 08:55 PM

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Brick wrote

You might say that it's cruel to force a woman to carry a child to term and I say the right of a person to live trumps the right of a woman not to be inconvenienced by pregnancy. You don't have to raise a child if you don't want to, so that one's out as well. In cases of rape and incest, it's not the child's fault it was conceived that way, so killing it just compounds the crime.

So the potential rights of a potential person, which is at the time a cluster of cells, trumps the actual rights of an actual person, the woman who is carrying the cluster of cells. I hope you've never masturbated, as you'd be guilty of killing billions of potential persons.

Brick · 09-17-2011, 09:00 PM

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Rhinoqulous wrote

So the potential rights of a potential person, which is at the time a cluster of cells, trumps the actual rights of an actual person, the woman who is carrying the cluster of cells. I hope you've never masturbated, as you'd be guilty of killing billions of potential persons.

Everyone was a zygote at one point. How many cells until you're a person?

Talking about sperm or eggs is irrelevant as they have no potential to become people on their own.

Rhinoqulous · 09-17-2011, 09:05 PM

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Brick wrote

Everyone was a zygote at one point. How many cells until you're a person?

I'd say when the cluster of cells is around 3 years old or so, then it's a person. Of course, we treat non-persons as persons as a matter of survival, but we usually have a cut-off point that is arbitrarily decided upon (which current cultural standards puts around the 3-month mark in gestation).

So Brick, do you fully admit that you believe a cluster of cells that has the potential to become a person has more rights than that of an actual person, just as long as the actual person is a woman?

Rhinoqulous · 09-17-2011, 09:17 PM

Also Brick, here are a couple of scenarios for you.

1) Say tomorrow they announced a technological breakthrough where they can implant an artificial womb in the body of a man, and take a zygote that would have been aborted and place it in this artificial womb. Would you be first in line to sign up to get an artificial womb?

2) Say tomorrow you're kidnapped off the street. The kidnappers take you to a warehouse, where they surgically connect you to a person who is dying of kidney failure. The person will live as long as they remain connected to you, sharing your kidney functions. You will have the possibility of health complications from the procedure, but overall you should be fine, if uncomfortable. The kidnappers tell you that you only have to remain hooked up for 9 months, as that's the current time on the waiting list for a new kidney. Disconnecting will immediately kill the person. Would you say you have a moral imperative to stay connected, as even though you were kidnapped and forced into such a position, disconnecting and killing the person now (who through no fault of their own has kidney failure) would only compound the crime?

Rhinoqulous · 09-17-2011, 09:35 PM

ghoulslime · 09-17-2011, 09:50 PM

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Irreligious wrote

And I'm getting tired of this woman implying that I'm a racist because I don't share her paranoid views about President Obama or her absurd claims that George W. Bush and Barack Obama are essentially the same person in different bodies.

Every president that I voted for before Obama was unambiguously white. In fact, the majority of the pols I've voted for over 35 years of exercising my suffrage rights have been white.

If anybody here has got a problem with race, I think it's the one who is bringing that topic into the equation when it doesn't belong there. If ubs was unaware of my race, I don't think she'd be making these baseless claims.

In defense of UBS, much of what she says on this forum seems to be with the intention of stimulating debate. Sometimes she is just playing the devil's advocate to get people to consider their positions more carefully. Also, she just likes to debate. She doesn't think you are a racist. And she is absolutely not a racist. She is a nice and charming person in real life.

You like verbally wrestling with her as much as she does with you, Irr! It's fun to see you two go at it sometimes.

Hugs to both of you!

ghoulslime · 09-17-2011, 09:52 PM

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Rhinoqulous wrote

So the potential rights of a potential person, which is at the time a cluster of cells, trumps the actual rights of an actual person, the woman who is carrying the cluster of cells. I hope you've never masturbated, as you'd be guilty of killing billions of potential persons.

EVERY sperm is sacred! Masturbation is fucking genocide!

Brick · 09-18-2011, 12:37 AM

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Rhinoqulous wrote

I'd say when the cluster of cells is around 3 years old or so, then it's a person. Of course, we treat non-persons as persons as a matter of survival, but we usually have a cut-off point that is arbitrarily decided upon (which current cultural standards puts around the 3-month mark in gestation).

So Brick, do you fully admit that you believe a cluster of cells that has the potential to become a person has more rights than that of an actual person, just as long as the actual person is a woman?

I fully admit nothing, you wannabe inquisitor. When you kill a zygote, you kill a person. When you kill a blastocyst, you kill a person. When you kill a fetus, you kill a person. You're killing a person because if you hadn't done anything, it would have become a person. The only valid reason to kill someone in my view is to preserve your own life.

I don't see 9 months of inconvenience as a sufficient excuse to snuff out another life. You don't have to raise a kid if you don't want to.

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Rhinoqulous wrote

Also Brick, here are a couple of scenarios for you.

1) Say tomorrow they announced a technological breakthrough where they can implant an artificial womb in the body of a man, and take a zygote that would have been aborted and place it in this artificial womb. Would you be first in line to sign up to get an artificial womb?

2) Say tomorrow you're kidnapped off the street. The kidnappers take you to a warehouse, where they surgically connect you to a person who is dying of kidney failure. The person will live as long as they remain connected to you, sharing your kidney functions. You will have the possibility of health complications from the procedure, but overall you should be fine, if uncomfortable. The kidnappers tell you that you only have to remain hooked up for 9 months, as that's the current time on the waiting list for a new kidney. Disconnecting will immediately kill the person. Would you say you have a moral imperative to stay connected, as even though you were kidnapped and forced into such a position, disconnecting and killing the person now (who through no fault of their own has kidney failure) would only compound the crime?

1) No, but your point is irrelevant. I don't spend my spare time hunting down criminals either- that doesn't mean I approve of crime. On a side note, if they can make an artificial uterus, why does it even need to be implanted in a person? It looks you're suggesting that unless I adopt 10 kids, I shouldn't say anything against abortion. I don't want abortion to be illegal, but I certainly see it as a moral gray area.

2) Yeah, I remember this from philosophy class in college. I can understand your desire to probe this quandry and that the use of analogies can help illuminate the obscure, but both these scenarios are fucking insane. Do you know what dialysis machines are?

Yes, I understand that an undesired/unplanned pregnancy is massively inconvenient, but pregnancy lasts 9 months and death lasts forever.

Irreligious · 09-18-2011, 12:42 AM

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Brick wrote

Some people think abortion is wrong, and there are valid, non-religious reasons for it. The only reasons I can see for an abortion are to save the mother's life and in cases of catastrophic birth defects. You might say that it's cruel to force a woman to carry a child to term and I say the right of a person to live trumps the right of a woman not to be inconvenienced by pregnancy. You don't have to raise a child if you don't want to, so that one's out as well. In cases of rape and incest, it's not the child's fault it was conceived that way, so killing it just compounds the crime.

Are the women carrying the fetuses allowed to disagree with you?